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Post by bellealliance on Nov 7, 2017 13:53:32 GMT
Hi there HaT community! Here are some pics of 1815 2nd Nassau Infantry. HaT 8147 set with some grenadiers from set 8096 and some NCOs from 8042. They could use some reinforcements so please restock 8147 so I can complete 1st Nassau Infantry... The flags are from Alan Pendlebury's Napflags. More pics to come... All the best, Kay Attachments:
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Post by Chris Dodson on Nov 7, 2017 16:57:36 GMT
Very nice Nassau infantry.
Love the church.
Best wishes,
Chris
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Post by steve on Nov 7, 2017 17:29:15 GMT
Well painted figures nicely arranged & a lovely church, but your right you need a few more reinforcements to boost your army - over to you Hat
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Post by Graeme on Nov 7, 2017 18:15:01 GMT
Very nice Kay. Splendid looking troops and they'll hold that church all day long. I do like the Nassauers and this is a very good depiction of them.
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 8, 2017 6:55:19 GMT
I do like these HaT figures, and it is good to see such a well-painted set.
I also really like the church - very characteristic of those in the area of Belgium where the 100 Days campaign was fought.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 8, 2017 14:26:33 GMT
Thank you all for your kind comments. In the absence of more Nassauers (please HaT, please more 8147!), the Netherlands Army has sent up 28th Infantry Regiment Orange Nassau (HaT 8025). Some figures I painted several years ago. In 1815 these two regiments (2nd Nassau Infantry and 28th Netherlands Infantry) were brigaded together. Getting these figures out out of their boxes made me realize I should paint up the Volunteer Jager Company to go with them. And I should get on with the attached artillery and staff for Perponcher's Division. Tomorrow, the infantry of Bijlandt's Brigade. All the best, Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 9, 2017 15:52:47 GMT
Bijlandt's Brigade of 7th South Netherlands Infantry, 27th North Netherlands Jagers and 5th, 7th and 8th Militia Battalions. The Belgians and Militia are from HaT 8096, the Jagers from HaT8025. I'll get some better Militia pictures because there are headswaps from the Prussian Reservist (HaT8052). Best wishes, Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 9, 2017 16:01:18 GMT
The post only allows three attachments. So, here is a view along the line of the infantry of Perponcher's Division. Kay Attachments:
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Post by Graeme on Nov 11, 2017 3:04:58 GMT
Great pictures of some very good looking troops. It's good to see the Belgians, I really like that set. The shot looking along the line of Perponcher's division is an impressive sight. Ney's got no chance of dining in Brussels.
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 11, 2017 10:43:56 GMT
Graeme, I like your avatar.
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Post by Graeme on Nov 11, 2017 16:39:41 GMT
Graeme, I like your avatar. It's a bit cheeky but I mentioned the subject in another post so I purloined the image to get an avatar that fit the subject. And it was a beautiful dream.
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 11, 2017 17:46:33 GMT
Do you want another image? There is one you can't post.
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Post by Graeme on Nov 12, 2017 12:59:42 GMT
Always happy to see pictures of Highlanders but I don't want to hijack Kay's thread.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 13, 2017 16:16:59 GMT
Thank you again for the encouragement. Back again with some Netherlands Militia pics (HaT 8096), standing defiantly before the Bois de Bossu. There are head swaps with caps from Prussian Reserve Infantry (HaT 8052). Officers and drummers from Dutch Infantry (HaT 8025), and one of my battalions has flanker companies with epaulettes from Nassau Grenadiers (HaT 8097). I've seen pictures with them having epaulettes, although I don't think this was regulation - I suppose they could be post-Waterloo additions obtained from French casualties.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 13, 2017 16:32:10 GMT
And this is the interlude... The first HaT release 8001 were the French Mamelukes of the Guard, a unit I had dreamed of depicting as a kid. Bought them as soon as I learned about HaT Industrie in 1998, but only painted a couple of years ago. My project is to build the three 1815 Campaign armies at about 1 figure to 25 men. The Mamelukes were re-raised but there is no evidence that they served in their distinctive garb in 1815. In any case, they were fun to paint, and I enjoy having them now painted, rather than boxed, in my collection. All the best, Kay Attachments:
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Post by Graeme on Nov 15, 2017 12:50:21 GMT
Wonderfully colourful Mamelukes! and the Invincibles in the background look good too, two great sets. One of the big attractions of Napoleonics is the splendid uniforms, and you have given us splendid uniforms aplenty here. I don't mind the idea of a couple of Mamelukes being in with the Guard Chasseurs a Cheval for 1815. Haythornethwaite says some Mameluke clothing was ordered and some items even issued. And also that some former members of the Mamelukes are known to have rejoined the army on Napoleons return although they didn't ride together as a unit. I figure these were proud men, why wouldn't they wear their old uniforms if they still had them? I might sneak a couple of these fine looking fellows in with my Chasseurs and I have a deaf ear reserved for the naysayers who tell me I can't.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 15, 2017 14:21:06 GMT
Hi Graeme, As regards Waterloo Mamelukes - go for it! The Guard Chasseurs - I have painted 5 squadrons of 10 figures each - are from Revell. Unfortunately they are small compared to the Mamelukes. And for the delectation and delight of the HaT forum community, the pics continue... Today, I have a couple of rifle-armed units, one for Waterloo campaign, and the other for Spain. The Peninsular War has not been a major project of mine, but the Osprey books on the Spanish and Portuguese armies have piqued my interest. The terrain for the fighting in the western Pyrenees in 1813 also has captured my imagination. In each case, the rifle-armed figures are from the Revell set, but with HaT additions. I have given the Hanoverian Jaeger Corps Prussian 1815 Reserve Infantry heads (HaT 8052) and their officer is from the Nassau Infantry (HaT 8147), also with a Prussian Reserve Infantry head. The Brunswick Oels Jaeger 1811-14 have heads and their head man from the Brunswick Leib Battalion (HaT 8026). This is one company of three that I have planned. Not 1815 of course, but fun to have. And for a little more color, some Rocket Corps. Whinyates was allowed one section to accompany his 6-pounders for the campaign in 1815. The limber and horses from Revell were some spares I picked up on ebay. The wagon, frames and rocketeers are from HaT 8003. The section in the foreground are playing dangerously by launching their rocket along the ground! All the best, Kay
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 15, 2017 19:16:26 GMT
More excellent figures.
I certainly plan to field Mamelukes with the Chasseurs when I tackle Waterloo!
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Post by Chris Dodson on Nov 16, 2017 12:54:53 GMT
Hi Bellealliance.
Your Dutch Belgian/ Nassau look very nice indeed.
I am currently completing the 2nd Division for my Quatre Bras refight and some of your conversions are lovely.
Keep up the good work.
I still like the church!
Best wishes,
Chris
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 16, 2017 15:50:33 GMT
Thank you Chris. The church is cut from cardboard glued with PVA and crudely painted. I did cut out window holes, and backed them with black painted card. Maybe over Winter Break I'll construct a couple of the farms. I'm already in the design phase for La Haye Sainte. A 1/72 scale model is out of the question since my ground scale is 25 yards to the inch, so I'll scale down the height to maybe 1/120, and then reduce the dimensions further to represent something in the style of the original without it dominating the battlefield more than it should. I don't think I can avoid the model being too wide (in the east-west dimension), but by cutting back on the orchard and garden dimensions I think I can keep it a reasonable length (in the north-south dimension). For Quatre Bras, I think Gemioncourt would make a good model to attempt before the end of the year. And now, the test squadron of 2nd Carabiniers. I usually depict squadrons of 6 figures. The troopers' heads and their mounts are from the Italeri French Carabiniers. The bodies are from Bavarian Cavalry (HaT 8030). I used a strip of paper to make the boot tops. The bugle comes from the French Chasseurs (HaT 8029) - the various parts on the sprues are really helpful. The spare Bavarian mounts were or will be donated to other cavalry units.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 16, 2017 16:11:44 GMT
Here are the 5th South Netherlands Light Dragoons from HaT 8032. The officer has his head replaced with the shako rouleau provided on the spue. The bugler is a French Chasseur a Cheval on the Netherland light cavalry mount. Boreel's Hussars may be seen in the background. Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 16, 2017 16:35:48 GMT
And Boreel's 6th North Netherlands Hussars These use heads with shakos from the French Chasseurs a Cheval (HaT 8029), and horses from the Netherlands light cavalry (HaT 8032). Below the neck, the riders are from the Revell Guard Chasseurs a Cheval. This leaves them a little over-equipped since each has a carbine. The HaT line chasseurs have had their heads replaced with a colpack from the Revell Guard chasseurs and will represent elite companies.
Kay
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 16, 2017 18:31:05 GMT
These are marvellous. I am particularly impressed with the way you have converted the Carabiniers.
What is the latest thinking on old versus new uniforms and who wore what?
What figure ratio do you use? I tend to end up with squadrons of around 5-6 figures based upon 1:20.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 16, 2017 19:50:44 GMT
My reading suggests that the 2nd Carabiniers had helmets, while the 1st and 3rd had not received these before Waterloo. I'm using the Osprey book as a secondary source. Beyond helmets, each regiment later received single breasted coats. At Waterloo all three regiments wore double-breasted coats. I chose to depict the 2nd Carabiniers with the plastron buttoned back to reveal the facing color. A source you may know is the Vinkhuijzen Collection housed at the NY Public Library, but available online here: digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/the-vinkhuijzen-collection-of-military-uniforms#/?tab=navigationMany countries, many periods, but images for the Netherlands Armies can be found under Netherlands, Belgium and Holland, and 1815 or thereabouts using the side bar for navigation. The images are not necessarily primary sources, but they are pre-1910. Interestingly they have a set of plates showing the South Netherlands Chasseurs (the 5th and 10th South Netherlands Chasseurs which became the 35th and 36th Chasseur Battalions in the combined numbering of the Netherlands Army) with "belgic shakos", so these shakos are not a 1960s assumption as the Osprey author asserts, but probably date back to the 19th century. Whether they were ever issued is another matter, but this is how I will model them. My figure ratio (and hence ground scale) has gotten progressively lower. When I started the project, I had thought 1:40 or 50, and then 1:33 or 40, and now 1:20 or 25. I model in "ideal" squadron or battalion size, generally 6 figures per squadron. The Netherlands infantry battalions are mostly 24 figures, although the Nassauers are 36. My French infantry battalions are at 24, British mostly 32, although Guards and some Lights are at 48 figures, while KGL have 24. The Hanoverians will have 32-figure battalions. I like the look of "large" battalions in as close order as I can base them, just feels Napoleonic to me. Kay
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 16, 2017 21:45:56 GMT
My reading suggests that the 2nd Carabiniers had helmets, while the 1st and 3rd had not received these before Waterloo. I'm using the Osprey book as a secondary source. Beyond helmets, each regiment later received single breasted coats. At Waterloo all three regiments wore double-breasted coats. I chose to depict the 2nd Carabiniers with the plastron buttoned back to reveal the facing color. A source you may know is the Vinkhuijzen Collection housed at the NY Public Library, but available online here: digitalcollections.nypl.org/collections/the-vinkhuijzen-collection-of-military-uniforms#/?tab=navigationMany countries, many periods, but images for the Netherlands Armies can be found under Netherlands, Belgium and Holland, and 1815 or thereabouts using the side bar for navigation. The images are not necessarily primary sources, but they are pre-1910. Interestingly they have a set of plates showing the South Netherlands Chasseurs (the 5th and 10th South Netherlands Chasseurs which became the 35th and 36th Chasseur Battalions in the combined numbering of the Netherlands Army) with "belgic shakos", so these shakos are not a 1960s assumption as the Osprey author asserts, but probably date back to the 19th century. Whether they were ever issued is another matter, but this is how I will model them. My figure ratio (and hence ground scale) has gotten progressively lower. When I started the project, I had thought 1:40 or 50, and then 1:33 or 40, and now 1:20 or 25. I model in "ideal" squadron or battalion size, generally 6 figures per squadron. The Netherlands infantry battalions are mostly 24 figures, although the Nassauers are 36. My French infantry battalions are at 24, British mostly 32, although Guards and some Lights are at 48 figures, while KGL have 24. The Hanoverians will have 32-figure battalions. I like the look of "large" battalions in as close order as I can base them, just feels Napoleonic to me. Kay
Thank you, Kay. That is all very interesting and helpful. I will certainly follow up the references in relation to the Carabiniers.
I, too, tend to rationalise battalion size. I tend to concentrate on the figure numbers matching the numbers of troops in a brigade or division (fairly approximately), rather than try to depict the strength of each individual battalion to the nearest 20; I tend to use average battalion sizes.
As I mount on company bases, and I like the figures 2-deep, I find that I tend to standardise the battalion sizes in order to allow them to break down into companies of the same size and of even numbers. For instance, my Spanish battalions have 4 companies, so are either 24 or 32 figures, depending upon how strong the historic battalion was, so that each company is a 2-deep stand of 6 or 8 figures.
French Line battalions will be 24 or 36, based on 6 companies of 4 or 6 figures. In the mid-Napoleonic period, they will often be 36. For Waterloo, I suspect that historic battalion sizes will result in most being more conveniently 24.
The Old Guard at Waterloo, divided into 14 battalions, allows 4-company battalions of 32 as a convenient compromise.
Prussian battalions are 4-company units, conveniently resulting in battalions of 32 or 40.
The British pose the greatest difficulty here, with 10-company battalions. Many British battalions in the field were nearer 500-600 than the nominal 1,000, and I wondered about basing the flank companies separately, as two 2-deep 4-figure companies, with the centre companies based by division, i.e. four 2-deep 6-figure divisions, each representing 2 companies. The flank companies are disproportionately large, but this seemed the best compromise, and results in a total of 32 figures (your choice, I note), which is not a bad size for a typical British battalion at 1:20.
I entirely agree with you concerning the use of larger number of figures, reasonably closely ranked. I am told this is very much "the Grand Manner", and the implication seems to be that this is a rather old fashioned way of doing things, recalling Charles Grant, perhaps, but, for me too, this just feels more Napoleonic.
James
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