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Post by Chris Dodson on Nov 17, 2017 8:10:25 GMT
Hi,
Interesting stuff indeed.
My 'rules' are adapted from the late great Charles Grant as they are simple and fast.
Unit sizes are four infantry companies per unit comprising ten figures and an officer. One of these will be usually a light element with a hornist and one the grenadier.
The standard bearer, a couple of non comes to keep him company, a drummer and Sapper together with a mounted colonel rounds the unit to about fifty. I think the result looks Napoleonic.
Cavalry are twenty five figures per unit in two squadrons plus three officers and the standard bearer with trumpeter.
Artillery are two gun batteries with six crew each plus officers etc. I feel that the limbers, teams and a cassion need to be included as too often the effect of the space required by these chaps is overlooked by war gamers.
Happy modelling.
Chris
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 17, 2017 16:05:40 GMT
Hi James, I started gaming with Bruce Quarrie's rules which used 1:33. For British this meant 10 companies of 2 figures, based 1 figure deep. I had a brief foray into WRG Napoleonics (15mm metal figures) which used 1:50 as a ratio, but I was never terribly happy with 12 figure battalions. Empire 3rd used 1:60 which yielded even smaller battalions. I liked the look of Peter Gilder's In The Grand Manner ruleset, and the Charles Grant sized battalions which you mention too. I'm also "old fashioned" in that I like to gloss varnish my figures for a toy soldier look. Like you I had some concern that my British organization of 4 Grenadier, 4 Lights and 24 Center Companies overemphasizes the light company. But see this source for the 79th Highlanders (p.53 and following), and you'll find it lists by company the names of all ranks! books.google.com/books?id=_AQkAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Great+Britain.+Army.+Queen%27s+Own+Cameron+Highlanders%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu8PK2-8XXAhXM7yYKHXIFBhEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q&f=falseSummary: Grenadier Co. 4 Officers, 5 Sergeants, 81 OR Light Co. 3 Officers, 6 Sergeants, 81 OR 8 Center Cos. 29 Officers, 34 sergeants, 496 OR (Range: 3-5 Officers, 4-5 Sergeants, 57-64 OR) So maybe they tried to keep their flank companies up to strength, even when the remainder of the battalion was below establishment. There are probably other regimental histories out there that could verify the extent to which this practice was general. And now the final installments (for now) of the Netherlands Army. First, the 4th North Netherlands Light Dragoons (HaT 8032). These are pretty much out of the box, except to add a bugle. Best wishes, Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 17, 2017 16:12:14 GMT
...And the last, but not least, of my Netherlands units to date, the 8th South Netherlands Hussars. As with the 6th Hussars, the riders are from the Revell Guard Chasseurs a Cheval, with heads from Line Chasseurs a Cheval (HaT 8029), and riding on Netherlands Light Cavalry horses (HaT 8032). I need to rebox these, and unpack my Brunswick Corps infantry... Cheers to all, have a great weekend, Kay
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Post by Graeme on Nov 19, 2017 15:29:15 GMT
Your Netherlands cavalry look terrific, very nice job on all of them. And the conversions on the riflemen and carabiniers are most interesting.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 20, 2017 17:01:48 GMT
Happy Monday! A relatively productive weekend hobbywise for me, having almost completed my KGL infantry contingent. I did get to rebox the Netherlands troops, and unpack the Brunswick Corps - infantry for the most part. So here goes... In the center, the Leib Battalion, supported by Line and Light Battalions (HaT 8026). On the right Gelernte Jaeger of the Avant Garde battalion (HaT 8008). On the left, Light Infantry of the Avant Garde (Uses HaT 8026 with heads wearing the Corsehut provided as spares on the sprue). My Brunswick Infantry are organized in 4 companies of 8 figures. The Avant Garde battalion thus has 16 Gelernte Jaeger and 16 Light Infantry. I have a squadron of hussars at 8 figures (and 3 more projected, as well as a Uhlan squadron of 12 figures). No artillery as yet, but I'm thinking heads from the HaT Brunswickers on their British horse and foot equivalents, using French guns and limbers (System XI). The drivers would have single-breasted coats, so maybe the HaT Austrian drivers as a basis - I'll have to think some more about it.
As with Chris, I like to have limbers for my artillery. However, the models do take up a disproportionate space on the table compared to a ground scale around 25 yards to 1 inch.
Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 20, 2017 17:11:21 GMT
And here is the Light Brigade and the squadron of hussars I mentioned earlier.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 21, 2017 14:52:50 GMT
And some pics of the "immense moving hearse". This time the Brigade of Line Infantry: Again, these are Brunswick Leib Battalion figures (HaT 8026) with their horsehair plumes cut down to pompons. The flags are carried by converted officer figures, the flags themselves printed from Alan Pendlebury's Napflags. Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 21, 2017 14:56:03 GMT
The Brunswick Line brigade again, from left to right the 2nd Battalion, 1st Battalion and 3rd Battalion: Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 21, 2017 15:13:29 GMT
And the last ones before Thanksgiving: 2nd Line Battalion marches ahead of the brigade. And a couple more of the Hussars, including a close up.
Numbers wise, for the Army of the Netherlands, I have 22 battalions of Netherlands Infantry, 8 of Brunswick, and 26 (nearly 30) British Infantry
With a bit of luck, I'll return after the holiday with some French attacking the KGL.
All the best, Kay
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 21, 2017 17:38:22 GMT
More excellent figures. Well done and keep up the good work!
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Post by C M DODSON on Nov 21, 2017 18:37:36 GMT
Very nice work indeed with some interesting conversions. I hope that you do not mind if I pinch a few of them for my Quatre Bras re fight.
I have the Revell chasseurs on the way and intend to use these and some chopped up Italieri hussars on possibly Hat Brunswick horses for the 6th.
Best wishes,
Chris
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 21, 2017 19:24:32 GMT
Hi Chris,
Of course, feel free to use whatever conversions will work for you. This is what I love about the HaT forum and the old ETS, where we get to see how others have worked with the figures. When I started we only had Airfix products, and it was amazing what could be accomplished with just those!
I'm very much looking forward to seeing your Quatre Bras refight.
All the best, Kay
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Post by Graeme on Nov 24, 2017 2:55:27 GMT
Very nice.
They may be the other extreme to the riot of colour of the Mamelukes but, in their own way, I think the all black uniforms with just small details of colour make an equally impressive sight.
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Post by steve on Nov 24, 2017 21:31:02 GMT
Very nice. They may be the other extreme to the riot of colour of the Mamelukes but, in their own way, I think the all black uniforms with just small details of colour make an equally impressive sight. The Brunswickers do look really impressive in there units & look like they mean business, they are well painted and well laid out I think we could do with some more sets to add a bit of variety to our armies maybe Hat could add another set like the did with the Bavarian infantry /fusilier sets the fusilier set is never in stock so that proves it must be popular & I think that another Brunswick set would sell just as well if not better.
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 27, 2017 15:59:50 GMT
Hello HaT Community, I'm back after a Thanksgiving spent at home with close family. Hope you're all doing well. Du Platt's KGL brigade is now complete! And I got to start on my project to represent La Haye Sainte for a wargames battlefield, and begin painting four buff-faced British line infantry battalions. But first, some French. I had thought of setting them up against the KGL. However, they had a photo opportunity with the Brunswickers first!
A battalion of line infantry (HaT 8041 and some 8034, with 8042 for the elite companies). The grenadier company is on the right in line nearest the camera. The voltigeur company skirmishing to the front. The close up of the voltigeurs shows a slight conversion obtained by removing a head and replacing it to be looking more over the left shoulder. Meanwhile, a battalion of light infantry swiftly takes ground to the flank (again HaT 8041 and 8042). There are more pics to follow...
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 27, 2017 16:19:40 GMT
The carabinier company (HaT 8042) helps to screen the column. I haven't counted recently, but I must have completed about 40 battalions of French line and light infantry (4 divisions), all of them from the HaT line. Each battalion is 24 figures strong. While a drummer or NCO is easy to convert from the contents of 8041, and officers come aplenty with 8034, I am in great need of porte-aigles for this period. I will probably end up buying the new command set, pre-1812, a bit of carving/filling and painting might just do the trick. If there are four sprues per box then each division will require 1 box. The figures displaced from the 1er battalions become cadres for new units, and the army grows! These last two pics have the battalions attacking some KGL lights defending the base plan of La Haye Sainte, which is the other project I started work on. I will start another thread to view my process of creating a representation of this iconic farm. Wishing you all the best, Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 4, 2017 20:43:34 GMT
Unpacking figures and dusting off the cobwebs! Here are my 13th Light Dragoons (Buff facings, gold/yellow lace) from HaT 8014 KGL Light Dragoons. The officer and trumpeter have their carbines carved away, while the trumpeter has his sword replaced with a trumpet from the French Line Chasseurs accessories. In the Waterloo campaign Order of Battle they are brigaded with 3rd Hussars KGL; at Waterloo they were brigaded with 7th and 15th Light Dragoons (Hussars). The unit is 3 squadrons at 6 figures each. I also have somewhere 1st and 2nd Light Dragoons KGL and 23rd Light Dragoons. Happy modelling, Kay
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Post by steve on Dec 9, 2017 9:31:58 GMT
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 12, 2017 15:04:47 GMT
Yes, Steve, even though I have already painted 100+ Nassau, I, also, need more of the 8147 - probably 2 boxes. First to complete 1st Nassau Infantry, and second to reinforcement all the battalions from 36 to 48 figures each. And now more British Light Dragoons. I did find the figures I had painted for Doernberg's 3rd British Brigade, 23rd Light Dragoons, 1st Light Dragoons, KGL, and 2nd Light Dragoons KGL. They had been painted, but were awaiting the metallic enamels and basing, which I accomplished over the weekend. (The 3/14th Regiment just had to wait).
From left to right, the 23LD, 2 LD KGL, and 1 LD KGL. I placed them on my table with some other troops to show them in action. The light dragoon figures are all HaT 8014 KGL Light Dragoons. I still have the three regiments from Vandeleur's 4th British Brigade left to paint. Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 12, 2017 15:29:58 GMT
More of Doernberg's 3rd British Brigade During the Battle of Waterloo, Doernberg threw in his light dragoons against disordered French cuirassiers penetrating the Allied infantry squares, which was the inspiration for these pictures. My battlefield here is Waterloo-esque rather than a recreation of Waterloo. I have placed Pack's battalions in square, supported by a battery of Royal Horse Artillery, attacked by Donop's brigade of cuirassiers. 1st Light Dragoons KGL go in against the disordered squadrons of 2nd Cuirassiers. Figure credits: Starring - HaT 8014 KGL Light Dragoons as Doernberg's brigade supported by: French Cuirassiers from Esci (with reins added from bread packet twisties) British Infantry from Revell Highland Infantry from Italeri Royal Horse Artillery from Airfix Happy modelling, Kay P.S. To the Twittermeister - I am thrilled to see some of the previous pics go out on Twitter. "Ms. Bellealliance" would be more appropriate.
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Post by steve on Dec 12, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
You have amassed some large very well painted armies , very impressive indeed there must be a few years work Involved , & you also have done a lot of research on the subject to get every detail right you have looked in to the battle a lot deeper than I ever have top notch work very informative & thanks for posting the pics. I saw the twitter pictures & the caption not just once but a few times they should be more careful its inexcusable really.
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 14, 2017 21:04:57 GMT
Thank you, Steve. Yes, there are several years involved. However, most of the figures were painted in the last 10 years, although I have others (ahem!) years older than that. I started when Airfix were pretty much the only game in town. My first version of British Light Dragoons were Airfix French cuirassiers, boot tops cut into trousers and cuirass detail removed, with their heads swapped for Airfix French Infantry. I sold them on ebay about 11 years ago, and maybe they are still doing service in someone's collection to this day!
And in anticipation of my next photo posts, as I was unpacking the Light Dragoons of Doernberg's Brigade, I came across my British heavy cavalry brigades. They too required rebasing and the incorporation of some more recently painted recruits. This is now complete, and it's only a matter of of time before I photograph them...
Kay
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 15, 2017 15:10:38 GMT
And here they are: the British Heavies at Waterloo. First up Somerset's Household Brigade. In the foreground 4 squadrons of 1st King's Dragoon Guards, with 2 squadrons of 1st Life Guards to their left - must be a battlefield mix up - they should be on the right! Two squadrons each of 2nd Life Guards and Royal Horse Guards in support to the rear. The Dragoon Guards are Hat 8033 British Dragoons, trumpet added from French Line Chasseurs. The Household Cavalry from Revell. And next, a long view of Ponsonby's Union Brigade. In reserve the 2nd Royal North British Dragoons (Scots Greys). The other two regiments have two squadrons up and one in reserve, nearest the camera being the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons, and to their right 1st Royal Dragoons. The 1st and 6th Dragoons are Hat8033 British Dragoons. The Scots Greys are the old Esci figures. Curiously, the Esci sculptor didn't include reins on the horses, and these I have fashioned from bread twisties - laborious work, not so much for the Greys but for the 8 regiments of French cuirassiers, and 2 of British hussars. The Greys are also in a very soft plastic and the horses attach to their bases through little pegs in their hooves - much more secure than Airfix managed. The Esci figures shed their paint very easily even when "washed first in detersive before spreading the colours" as the box advised us. If I had it to do again, the Greys would have been HaT as well, firm plastic that holds its paint well.
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Post by bellealliance on Dec 15, 2017 15:14:52 GMT
And more of the Union Brigade:
Photos from left to right: 6th Dragoons (yellow facings/white lace), Scots Greys (blue facings/yellow lace) and 1st Dragoons (blue facings/yellow lace). Poor light delayed the last charge of the day!
Happy modelling, Kay
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