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Post by cpn on Nov 9, 2017 18:59:05 GMT
good evening,
so the next batch E29F is French Nap only.
8234 French Greatcoats
8294 1815 French Marching
8296 1805-1812 French Marching
8297 French command
plus restocks
Great! start saving money.
Cheers.
CPN
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Post by steve on Nov 9, 2017 19:13:19 GMT
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Post by bellealliance on Nov 9, 2017 19:48:10 GMT
Yay! E29F is great news for my Armee du Nord.
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 9, 2017 20:36:46 GMT
Greatcoats finally!! All of those sets will be on my purchase list, I just hope we don't have to wait years for this!!
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Post by Brian on Nov 10, 2017 22:44:14 GMT
Great News I have been holding off buying more Nap French Infantry from other manufacturers hopping Hat would get these fine French infantry into the shops, and this could mean a well deserved retirement for the old Airfix, Esci and Italeri French infantry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 2:52:10 GMT
We got a cheeky, sneaky preview of this news a month or so ago, but it is fabulous to have it confirmed.
Seems that Hat were sitting on their hats, no doubt champing at the bit, as the natives got restless about the lack of updates. Then, the time was right and ripe and we receive an avalanche of good news!
Superb stuff, thanks.
(Too many colloquial turns of phrase?!!)
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Post by Graeme on Nov 11, 2017 3:17:08 GMT
Great news. A full Napoleonic E-release, just like the good old days.  It will be good to get all of those sets. |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 11, 2017 7:01:36 GMT
HäT admin can we get some info or even previews of the greatcoats? I assume they are with shakos? Maybe the old greatcoats set could be restocked too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 7:19:11 GMT
HäT admin can we get some info or even previews of the greatcoats? I assume they are with shakos? Maybe the old greatcoats set cpould be restocked too? I just looked at the Hat Twitter page--looks like painted examples of 8234 and 8294 in the banner photo! James |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 11, 2017 7:29:01 GMT
HäT admin can we get some info or even previews of the greatcoats? I assume they are with shakos? Maybe the old greatcoats set cpould be restocked too? I just looked at the Hat Twitter page--looks like painted examples of 8234 and 8294 in the banner photo! James Yes it does, looks good from what I can see. |
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Post by Brian on Nov 11, 2017 14:46:35 GMT
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 11, 2017 16:56:07 GMT
Nice ones, and they're definitely in shakos, been wanting those for years... |
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Post by Graeme on Nov 11, 2017 17:14:46 GMT
Pics of the test shot of the marching in greatcoats set are on the website here: www.hat.com/Curr2/Bx8234MF/Bx8234FG.htmlI believe they are 1/72 versions of the figures in the 1/32 sets. I'm looking forward to when they get round to the command set with that awesome looking officer. |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 12, 2017 12:25:42 GMT
Could someone help me in the Napoleonic greatcoats jungle (I'm a Napoleonic novice)?
1. Will the new Greatcoat set work for several sides?
2. Is it appropriate for Austerlitz for any side?
3. Can the old greatcoat set 8146 for 1805 be used for any side during Austerlitz?
4. I'm also interested in the Revolutionary Wars, can the 1805 set be used for any winter campaign or battle? Any interesting actions to depict?
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Post by waynew on Nov 12, 2017 22:46:36 GMT
With greatcoated figures sometimes it's the length that makes a difference - with the Brits for example there was a capelike portion (don't know the name off the top of my head) - with other armies you have to watch the headgear - style of shakos. Head swaps would switch these figures to early era French if you didn't look too closely. It really depends on how particular you are, I suppose. I like to be as close as possible within reason, but at the same time when you think about it - they're your guys; if you wanted to take some World War 2 US GIs and say they're French and can live with that - more power to you.
It's what I've been doing for Pommeranian Piccolo Players all these many, many years...
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Post by Brian on Nov 13, 2017 0:08:15 GMT
Could someone help me in the Napoleonic greatcoats jungle (I'm a Napoleonic novice)? 1. Will the new Greatcoat set work for several sides? 2. Is it appropriate for Austerlitz for any side? 3. Can the old greatcoat set 8146 for 1805 be used for any side during Austerlitz? 4. I'm also interested in the Revolutionary Wars, can the 1805 set be used for any winter campaign or battle? Any interesting actions to depict? 1. Will the new Greatcoat set work for several sides? Only with head swaps, Greatcoats and knapsacks may also differ slightly. 2. Is it appropriate for Austerlitz for any side? for the French this set 8146 is perfect. 3. Can the old greatcoat set 8146 for 1805 be used for any side during Austerlitz? The Austrians you need Leather Helmets and Russians you need the shako from set 8072 without the Grenadier plume for infantry. 4. I'm also interested in the Revolutionary Wars, can the 1805 set be used for any winter campaign or battle? Any interesting actions to depict? set 8146 would be best for the French although they also wore variety of head wear as did their opponents. Hat's new set French Infantry Marching in Greatcoats is ideal for French Light Infantry and some Grenadier units from 1806 to 1815 but, would pass for the regulars French Infantry (fusiliers) for those dates by cutting off the plume and painting the Shako. Having said all this as Wayne said it's really up to you, this hobby after all is about having fun. Head swap (other method's are available). paulsbods.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/head-swops.htmlNapoleonic History and uniform site (this websites is vast so don't get overwhelmed). www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/napoleonic_uniforms.htmlPlastic Soldier Forum (every 1/72 scale set of figures reviewed). www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Periods.aspx |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 13, 2017 7:10:57 GMT
Could someone help me in the Napoleonic greatcoats jungle (I'm a Napoleonic novice)? 1. Will the new Greatcoat set work for several sides? 2. Is it appropriate for Austerlitz for any side? 3. Can the old greatcoat set 8146 for 1805 be used for any side during Austerlitz? 4. I'm also interested in the Revolutionary Wars, can the 1805 set be used for any winter campaign or battle? Any interesting actions to depict? 1. Will the new Greatcoat set work for several sides? Only with head swaps, Greatcoats and knapsacks may also differ slightly. 2. Is it appropriate for Austerlitz for any side? for the French this set 8146 is perfect. 3. Can the old greatcoat set 8146 for 1805 be used for any side during Austerlitz? The Austrians you need Leather Helmets and Russians you need the shako from set 8072 without the Grenadier plume for infantry. 4. I'm also interested in the Revolutionary Wars, can the 1805 set be used for any winter campaign or battle? Any interesting actions to depict? set 8146 would be best for the French although they also wore variety of head wear as did their opponents. Hat's new set French Infantry Marching in Greatcoats is ideal for French Light Infantry and some Grenadier units from 1806 to 1815 but, would pass for the regulars French Infantry (fusiliers) for those dates by cutting off the plume and painting the Shako. Having said all this as Wayne said it's really up to you, this hobby after all is about having fun. Head swap (other method's are available). paulsbods.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/head-swops.htmlNapoleonic History and uniform site (this websites is vast so don't get overwhelmed). www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/napoleonic_uniforms.htmlPlastic Soldier Forum (every 1/72 scale set of figures reviewed). www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Periods.aspxThanks Brian, seems like a lot of work to make it authentic, I hope HäT acknowledges the need for more winter sets for different sides and periods. |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 13, 2017 9:13:34 GMT
Sorry but couldn't resist ... but the full french nap is a good thing though!
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 13, 2017 9:34:12 GMT
We appear to be discussing this set:
It has always puzzled me slightly. So far as Line Infantry is concerned, the set appears to represent flank companies/elites only, though is not so labelled.
I would suggest that they may not prove a suitable basis for conversion to Revolutionary infantry; I believe that greatcoats were introduced from 1805.
As has been mentioned, for the period 1805-1807, there is a dedicated HaT set of great-coated infantry.
So what are these?
Well, if these 3 poses represent the entire set, they must be elites only, in Line Infantry terms, because they all have epaulettes.
Further, they wear both cross belts suggesting they carry a sabre (the hilt is visible on the left-hand figure), so post-1812, they could only be elite/flank companies.
I do not think they are suitable for later period elite companies, however, because they wear shako cords. In 1810 both shako cords and plumes were discontinued, though may have continued to be issued/worn until stocks were exhausted. From the 1812 Regulations (effective from1813), elite shakos were supposed to have braided chevrons in any case.
So, on the face of it, these figures would suit Line Infantry Grenadier and Voltigeur companies c.1807 to c.1810-12.
Even so, there are some possible oddities. These figures are wearing trousers over their gaiters, suggesting campaign dress, and greatcoats, suggesting cold, or foul, weather, but uncovered shakos and the cords and plumes that I am sure many soldiers would have wished to reserve for parade wear. I accept that these items could be worn in the field, so I daresay that this is a legitimate combination, but a shako cover would have hidden a multitude of sins.
Though hard to make out, the shako plate doesn't particularly suggest the lozenge plate typical of the Line Infantry in the mid-Napoleonic period. It seems possible that the picture shows an eagle plate. The later eagle-above-crescent plate introduced by the 1812 regulations would be inconsistent with the presence of cords, but there seem to have been plenty of eagle plates used by the Line, particularly earlier in the post 1806 period, though I think the lozenge or diamond shaped plate would have been more typical.
All in all the set has rather a "Young/Middle Guard" feel to it, e.g. Fusiliers-Grenadiers (in which case the great-coats would be blue). The combination of epaulettes and shako furniture, including the possible eagle-design plate, suggests this to me.
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Post by Graeme on Nov 13, 2017 12:40:17 GMT
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 13, 2017 13:18:39 GMT
Thank you, that makes sense (and some very nice figures), but, of course, HaT merely create a pressing demand for 1808-1812 Fusiliers and Command in great-coats!!
So, if these are worth re-scaling to 1/72nd (despite being confined to "elites"), dare I ask, are not the British Peninsular Light and Heavy Cavalry sets worth re-scaling from 28mm?!?
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 13, 2017 15:58:56 GMT
HäT admin, what happens to the ACW? Will it be in the crowdfunding section or not? The voting suggests the ACW and Austrians are in the lead so why not allow us customers to choose either one or both?
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 13, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
HäT admin, what happens to the ACW? Will it be in the crowdfunding section or not? The voting suggests the ACW and Austrians are in the lead so why not allow us customers to choose either one or both? Planning to scan this set in. |
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 13, 2017 18:41:54 GMT
HäT admin, what happens to the ACW? Will it be in the crowdfunding section or not? The voting suggests the ACW and Austrians are in the lead so why not allow us customers to choose either one or both? Planning to scan this set in. A concise but acceptable answer, thank you HäT admin, I hope this means it's nearer to some completion and eventually release. |
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Post by Brian on Nov 15, 2017 22:46:25 GMT
Hi Taveller1865, I have just been admiring some of your fantastic ACW Diorama's on Benno's Forum and with you new found interest in the Napoleonic era, in particular Napoleonic figures in Greatcoats, a thought has occurred to me do you think you maybe getting a bit obsessed with Grey, Blue and Brown uniforms? or are you in possession of several tons of Grey, Blue and Brown paint?  I got attracted to the the Napoleonic era above any other era mainly because of the beautiful and brightly colored uniforms and only have Greatcoated figures as a contrast to make the brightly colored ranks of men stand out even more. ![]() ![]() Have a look through Alexis amazing website it has all the uniforms from the Waterloo Campaign. centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/unites.phpI think with your painting skills your going to love painting Napoleonic armies although you may need your sunglasses.  |
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