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Post by Forum Admin on Jan 18, 2018 17:59:20 GMT
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Post by rapira3 on Jan 18, 2018 21:11:09 GMT
Both!!!!! Austrians sets with replacing helmet, Hungarians with replacing shako. Exchange their hats for a full coverage of the napoleonic wars!
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Post by Marco Zappa on Jan 18, 2018 22:53:30 GMT
Both ...
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Post by Brian on Jan 19, 2018 0:06:06 GMT
Both, I did vote for Austrians but only because they are already sculpted, it should be quite clear there is a great demand for Hungarians.
After Hat make Nap Austrians and Nap Russian Infantry the Napoleonic Cupboard will look bare the Nap Hungarians should be a priority, Still none exist in 1/72 scale plastic World.
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Post by waynew on Jan 19, 2018 0:55:44 GMT
At this scale I figure I can paint the differences between the two uniforms. JMO.
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Jordan
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Post by Jordan on Jan 19, 2018 1:27:24 GMT
Actually...
Hat Could use Austrian (Germans) in Helmets; Hungarians in Helmets, Shakos and Bearskins (as Grenadiers); Austrian Jaegers and Lancers and Hungarian Cavalry, er I mean Hussars...
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Post by Edwardian on Jan 19, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Don't understand the question - The German sets are already in preparation are they not?
Given that the majority of the infantry wore the German dress, clearly this set is indispensable. But the Hungarian uniform was worn by a very significant minority and the uniform differences are such that we would need sets dedicated to them.
For that reason, the previous posts are right. The answer has to be "both"!
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jan 20, 2018 5:23:41 GMT
a thin coat of paint being fully as thick as clothing you can paint them over to one or the other. Since the top hat figures are out already the helmet ones would be good!
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Post by Edwardian on Jan 20, 2018 8:59:21 GMT
I disagree. Given modern standards of sculpting, and levels of detail, definition and accuracy, I think some of those treatments we got away with in the '70s and '80s on less sophisticated figures may not cut the mustard. There is, for example, a great difference on a properly sculpted figure between short gaiters and Hungarian trousers.
I think the subject warrants both types to be made.
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Post by PRJA on Jan 20, 2018 10:09:19 GMT
I would suggest the set that has already been sculpted be produced as they are. HaT has already produced Austrian Infantry wearing shakos and I have been able to paint them as both German and Hungarians. The Grenadiers have also been produced, so no real need to take up valuable sprue space with a supply of different heads. Obviously, if it makes them easier to produce, then separate back packs would be fine - that has worked perfectly well before. Whilst the helmeted Austrians have already been produced by another company, the masters for this set that have been on show and teasing us for quite some time now already look fantastic and I will be buying some to compliment my existing Austrian Army. In my opinion, this set does not require any work / format tweaking that may further delay their production (keeping in mind scaling so they compliment the previously produced sets) I am not getting any younger, so please get these out and onto the battlefield. Thank you again for soliciting our varied opinions, HaT. PRJA
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Post by Edwardian on Jan 20, 2018 11:57:29 GMT
I agree, can we not simply proceed with this set as is?
With a Hungarian set for the future.
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Post by Jordan on Jan 20, 2018 21:48:33 GMT
I just did some rough calculations and widening the definition of "Napoleonic Highlander" to be any regiment presumed to be issued a kilt I have come up with 14 regiments out of 135, 15 if you include the Scotch Brigade to be renumbered and disbanded as the 94th Foot. So every Toy Soldier manufacturers is fine with making new figures if it represents at least 11.11 % of the total infantry. And even if you ignore that about half the Highland regiments lost their kilts in 1809 the regiments after 104th hardly saw any active service at all the percentage of Highland units fall to 10.58 !
Hungarian Infantry where 23.43% of Austria's Line Infantry Regiments, wore pointed cuffs with laced buttons holes, as opposed to the plain square cuffs of the German Regiments and wore the Hungarian Knot and side stripe braiding as opposed to the leggings of the Germans. Yes, you can paint the details of the Hungarian leggings on the figures but the figures would look just a bit smarter if they had the correct cuffs and button-lace on the tunic that make them Hungarians.
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Post by ToneTW on Jan 20, 2018 22:40:34 GMT
Austrians this time, but Hungarians are much needed also!
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Post by 1stsgt37thga on Jan 21, 2018 13:50:23 GMT
Austrians this time, but Hungarians should be soon if not next.
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Post by gbvarese on Jan 21, 2018 15:46:41 GMT
Dear all,
I apologise, if you believe that I repeat myself. As i suggested in past posts, by simply icluding in the new set, leather helmets, shakos and Hungarian knots on the trousers, with one single set, it's possible covering four uniforms: German/Austrian with both headgears and Hungarian/Austrian with both headgeras too. It's question of trimming gaiters and Hungarian knots. I did it with Italeri's Austrian Grenadiers and it worked. On the box Hat can indicate such a procedure, as it was done, for instance, with set 8167 French Middle Guard, where the various uniform options are indicated.
Thanks Giovanni.
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Post by waynew on Jan 21, 2018 16:54:05 GMT
I just did some rough calculations and widening the definition of "Napoleonic Highlander" to be any regiment presumed to be issued a kilt I have come up with 14 regiments out of 135, 15 if you include the Scotch Brigade to be renumbered and disbanded as the 94th Foot. So every Toy Soldier manufacturers is fine with making new figures if it represents at least 11.11 % of the total infantry. And even if you ignore that about half the Highland regiments lost their kilts in 1809 the regiments after 104th hardly saw any active service at all the percentage of Highland units fall to 10.58 ! Hungarian Infantry where 23.43% of Austria's Line Infantry Regiments, wore pointed cuffs with laced buttons holes, as opposed to the plain square cuffs of the German Regiments and wore the Hungarian Knot and side stripe braiding as opposed to the leggings of the Germans. Yes, you can paint the details of the Hungarian leggings on the figures but the figures would look just a bit smarter if they had the correct cuffs and button-lace on the tunic that make them Hungarians. Jordan, there is no disputing your facts concerning the under or over-representation of certain types of units in the hobby. For better or worse, it doesn't seem to affect either output or demand for such units on the market. I am currently re-structuring as I add to my Highland regiments in my British "Army." I discover even as I "retire" older and obsolete figures with honor I will still have way too many troops to fit in my representation of Highland regiments. So, I change my TO&E or create imaginary units - or... It is the nature of the beast. (sigh...)
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Post by Roscoe Remington on Jan 22, 2018 8:02:32 GMT
The Italeri Austrians can be easily converted to Hungarians because the breeches were sculpted without folds and wrinkles, and thus flow smoothly into the gaiters. While it's not a strictly realistic look, it doesn't look bad either. HaT could adopt the same approach. Add Hungarian knots to all the figures as they can easily be removed for the Austrian look.
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Post by pietjepuk on Jan 22, 2018 11:06:32 GMT
I prefer both I also like the suggestion to make the Austrians in Helmet and the Hungarians in shako (taken you opt not to include extra headoptions). The Hungarians did get the shako earlier and so wore it longer. And as the boxart for the Austrians shows the helmet...
Most people still like to take the figures out of the box (perhaps glue on some parts) and start painting and basing. Conversions etc. are nice to add some variety, but not to build entire armies.
I am convinced that if you offer a seperate set of Austrians and Hungarians the sales will be much higher then if you were to sell 1 set to cover both. Perhaps you could reuse the masterdesigns of the Austrians to make the Hungarians to save costs there. Or turn the Hungarians into a crowdfunding project.
Many regards
Pieter
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Post by gbvarese on Jan 22, 2018 21:24:38 GMT
Dear Roscoe Remington,
Thanks for supporting my proposal.
Giovanni.
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Post by Roscoe Remington on Jan 23, 2018 3:24:28 GMT
Dear Roscoe Remington, Thanks for supporting my proposal. Giovanni. My pleasure!
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Post by richard on Jan 23, 2018 11:10:35 GMT
The Italeri Austrians can be easily converted to Hungarians because the breeches were sculpted without folds and wrinkles, and thus flow smoothly into the gaiters. While it's not a strictly realistic look, it doesn't look bad either. HaT could adopt the same approach. Add Hungarian knots to all the figures as they can easily be removed for the Austrian look. I agree with this. For most other eras (maybe excluding second world war) collectors have to make massive compromises on accuracy and quality as there just isn't the choice afforded in order to be picky. Just look at the PSR site and look at the amounts of sets available for the different eras. Napoleonics are in an overall abundance, and every time a new set of Napoleonics is created/asked for because a slight 'tweak' in collar or cuff or boot is required (where painting or scalpel could amend it), it just prevents other sets/eras from being created. As a non-Napoleonic collector (you might have guessed...) I don't think you realise how good you've got it overall!!! I understand that this all might make me a bit unpopular with you legions of Nappies, but I don't think I'm the only one thinking how good you've got it!
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Post by gbvarese on Jan 23, 2018 22:44:52 GMT
Dear Richard,
In spite of not being a Napoleonic period enthusiast, I think that you have perfectly centered the point. Thanks for you precious contribution.
Giovanni.
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Post by Biv Vel Spatar on Feb 4, 2018 9:51:46 GMT
Both, in different sets
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Post by Michael Robert on Feb 15, 2018 20:47:07 GMT
Austrians in german helmets
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Post by Stan on Feb 19, 2018 22:42:18 GMT
Yes! You have my support for any 1/32 Napoleonics!!! Yes! Would love to see the 1/32 line breath again! But honestly I think there is more need of a decent French Linie Fusiliers (Not elite) set, it will sell better I believe, since there are allready two sets of good looking Italeri Austrians. However, I am working on a 1/32 Austrians army so you have my support!
Stan
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