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Post by tom70 on Mar 20, 2018 19:26:38 GMT
Hi guys,
I'm currently making a diorama for "la Haye Sainte" and I would like to make it as accurate as possible. It seems that only french light infantry fought there but it is a bit more complicated for the Allies troops. I've read that the british troops that took part to the fight were the 95th rifles and the KGL 2nd light battalion ( and maybe others, any information would be really welcome). Despite a long research I did not find any 1/72 KGL 2nd battalion miniatures. Do you guys think that Revell or/and Italeri rifles would work with appropriate colours?
Thanks a lot in advance for your answers.
Tom70.
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Post by endeavour on Mar 20, 2018 22:01:00 GMT
Not all of the men in the KGL light battalions were armed with the rifle so you'll need at least half the battalion armed with muskets. The tunic had barely any tails so you may have to do some sculpting/surgery on your figures if you use Hat British Light Infantry or Peninsular British. With the Revell 95th you will also have to do some adjustment to the tails if you can see past the equipment carried. Or you could just go with the flow and not worry too much :0)
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Post by Graeme on Mar 21, 2018 4:16:20 GMT
The 95th Rifles were not in La Haie Sainte or the orchard and kitchen garden around it but 2 companies of the 1st Battalion 95th Rifles were in the sand pit across the road from and a little north of La Haie Sainte and on the wooded knoll above the sandpit. The rest of the 1/95th were on the main ridge NE of La Haie Sainte. The initial garrison of La Haie Sainte was the 2nd Light Battalion KGL under the command of Major Baring. Yes, use British Rifles figures, I don't think you'll find anything closer in 1/72 plastic. Haythornethwaite says: the green jackets were short tailed with black facings, black shoulder straps with black worsted tufts and three rows of pewter buttons. The stovepipe shako had a black ball pompom and yellow cockade. Green lacing on the overalls. Officers had braided dolmans and their shakos, perhaps had a folding brim which made them look like a mirliton cap. Field officers (and perhaps Baring) wore low bicorns. At the time of Waterloo the KGL lights were probably all armed with rifles. centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/uniformes_uniteBR.php?uniformes=42&nation=2Around 2.30pm the Hanoverian Luneburg Light battalion was sent in support of the La Haie Sainte garrison but were caught in line and destroyed by Cuirassiers. These were green jacketed, rifle armed troops. Officers had yellow sashes and cornflower blue overalls. centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/uniformes_uniteBR.php?uniformes=87&nation=5Between 3pm-5pm the garrison was reinforced first by 2 companies of the 1st Light Battalion KGL. (Their jackets had a single row of buttons and black shoulder rolls and their shako had a black plume. Officers had unbraided jackets). And, later, by the light company of the 5th Line Battalion KGL, red coated, musket armed troops. 1st Light KGL: centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/uniformes_uniteBR.php?uniformes=41&nation=2Light Co. 5th Line KGL: centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/uniformes_uniteBR.php?uniformes=112&nation=2The final reinforcements around 5pm-6pm were the light company of the first battalion 2nd Nassau Regiment (HaT's Nassau Infantry). centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/uniformes_uniteBR.php?uniformes=45
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Post by chris on Mar 21, 2018 7:36:06 GMT
Good stuff Graham!
Tom asserts that it was French light infantry at La Haie Sainte.
At around 1.30PM Colonel Charlets brigade attacked and captured the orchard and kitchen garden. These were line infantry of the 54th and 55th regiments.
The sucessful assault was indeed performed by the 13th Legere .
Source. Adkin.
Good luck with your diorama.
Best wishes,
Chris
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Post by tom70 on Mar 21, 2018 18:52:54 GMT
Thanks so much for all your answers😉 I will post pics soon.
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Post by waynew on Mar 21, 2018 19:23:26 GMT
In my opinion, threads like these represent the best of this type of forum.
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Post by bellealliance on Mar 29, 2018 16:59:34 GMT
Hi Tom, Good luck on your diorama. I know dioramas are different beasts from wargames, but here are examples of my KGL infantry. These are for Waterloo, based on six-company battalions. These are mostly Revell figures, either rifles or the British infantry. The officer of my KGL Light Battalion is from HaT, however, the British Light Infantry set. The evidence over rifles and muskets for the KGL I believe comes from the weapons inventoried when they were inducted into the Hanoverian Army in 1816. At least some in the Line Battalions handed in rifles, as well as the muskets that most of them had, while the Light Battalions handed in rifles and muskets. Now, Baring asserted that his loss of La Haye Sainte, was caused by a lack of rifle ammunition. It's always possible, that, in response to this, the KGL were reorganized by exchanging/reequipping rifles and muskets to the 1816 proportions. But I haven't come across any documentation for a reorganization of this kind. In each of my Line Battalions, however, I have a base with 2 red-coated rifleman head-swapped for a "Belgic" shako. My Light Battalions have 8 riflemen (2 companies) and the remaining 4 companies musket-armed Revell British infantry head-swapped for a stovepipe shako. Works for wargaming, but maybe not the detail you want in a diorama. All the best, Kay
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Post by tremark68 on Mar 31, 2018 9:27:54 GMT
Buongiorno , noto con piacere che anche altre persone hanno notato che mancano set di kgl leggera . molto importante per chi vuole costruire un diorama di la haye sainte , in divisa verde . avevo gia ' scritto in passato di questa mancanza , spero che hat ci pensi e modelli un bel set kgl fanteria leggera .
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