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Post by Forum Admin on Mar 24, 2018 17:58:21 GMT
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 24, 2018 19:23:13 GMT
Thanks for posting pictures showing progress! Could I please ask because I don't paint ...
* Could you please post pictures of the sprews as they look out of the box * What kind of plastic? Soft, Medium, or Hard or ... ? * For the buying public, what color plastic will they be sold in?
Dear HaT Team - These look great. I'm totally excited to buy these just as much as the Unmarried Zulus. I just bought some Tabletop Workshop Church, 2-Story Shop and Cottaqe buildings to make a Rorke's Drift like in the movie. I already have some BMC Sandbags for Mealie Bags. Can't wait to put it all in one set up. Thank you, again Gents! GC
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Post by Forum Admin on Mar 25, 2018 1:22:36 GMT
GC: All to be determined. Thanks for your post.
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Post by Redneck01 on Mar 25, 2018 12:56:43 GMT
These look great, and I can't wait to purchase them.
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Post by Edwardian on Mar 25, 2018 19:01:46 GMT
These look great.
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 26, 2018 21:37:03 GMT
I'm still just as excited to buy these as I was a couple of days ago. Just wanted to say "Thank You!" again for making these for us! :-) GC
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Post by PRJA on Mar 27, 2018 19:39:54 GMT
These wagons look really good. The Colonial Fans have been waiting for their arrival since June 2011........does this teaser mean we might see them adorning our battle table tops by this time next year? Or sooner?! Trying hard not to sound too needy!! Thank you for the update.
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 28, 2018 21:53:18 GMT
GC: All to be determined. Thanks for your post. Hi - If I may suggest: * I like the plastic in Airfix Wagon Train - not too hard - not too soft * I would vote for British Scarlet or a Terracotta first, or * British Blue second
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 30, 2018 0:45:24 GMT
Dear HaT Team:
You recently split your Napoleonic "British Marines & Sailors" into two smaller boxes with a new color, Terracotta, which I just received in the mail.
* (1) This new color looks so nice and ideally shows all the fine details, plus * (2) It is a stiffer plastic which would work perfectly for your new Colonial Wagons and look authentic as a wood look * (3) You already now have successful experience with this plastic available at your factory
So, in summary, I think all collectors, both painters and non-painters would be pleased with the look and feel of this, plus painters should not experience any chipping, and it should be easy for your factory to put into production. I feel a Win-Win-Win situation for the HaT Team, your customers and your factory!
Kind regards - GC
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Post by jamesaprattiii on Mar 31, 2018 2:35:33 GMT
Looks good! will buy one day the horse drawn wagon my do for WW I
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Post by pviverito on Mar 31, 2018 3:25:46 GMT
I find the material used in plastic is the best and easiest to work with. The figures are the best. Can we order direct?
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Post by Pat on Apr 1, 2018 15:35:41 GMT
Thank you for the update.
Sorry to say but I have mixed feelings about these sets.
Great to see an oxen wagon. The long platform combined with the small tarp just looks odd to me but I am no expert on these wagons. The General Service wagon generally looks very useful but seems to be of sheet metal rather than wood, because the sides show no grain / planks. The horses do not give the impression of draught animals but rather of ponies, this and their big eyes has been criticized by many when they appeared in the German WW1 / WW2 wagon sets.
Please make all wagon sets from hard plastic (styrene). Thank you, and season's greetings.
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Post by Forum Admin on Apr 1, 2018 21:09:16 GMT
The long platform combined with the small tarp just looks odd to me but I am no expert on these wagons.
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Post by GarrisonClay on Apr 2, 2018 2:49:16 GMT
Dear HaT - One more advantage with the new terracotta plastic you used in the Naval Sets ...
* It is exceptionally stiff, but does not break / snap like styrene. The wagons have very thin axles and harnesses that press into the draught animals. I took one of the Sailors and bent his weapon back and forth 10 times and it didn't break or crack. When you bend styrene, or even cutting off tiny parts from a sprew, they often break. Your plastic is stiff and would take rough handling by wargamers and collectors alike. - GC
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Post by Ironsides on Apr 2, 2018 7:21:28 GMT
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Post by Pat on Apr 2, 2018 16:29:06 GMT
Thank you Admin and Ironsides. Much appreciated.
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Post by rmfex2003 on Apr 26, 2018 18:16:41 GMT
lovely wagons. does anyone know how many there should be in our armies. how many with No 3 column at isandlwana? how many with the army at maiwand?
when did they get used and when not? wagons in South Africa - yes some North West Frontier expeditions (e.g. Zhob Valley, 1884) only had camels and mules (no wagons) Egypt? Sudan? Burma? Afghanistan?
was there a standard number for a battalion or company on campaign?
sorry to be anglocentric, I'm not informed about French or Italian campaigns
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Post by paintdog on Apr 27, 2018 9:03:14 GMT
lovely wagons. does anyone know how many there should be in our armies. how many with No 3 column at isandlwana? how many with the army at maiwand? when did they get used and when not? wagons in South Africa - yes some North West Frontier expeditions (e.g. Zhob Valley, 1884) only had camels and mules (no wagons) Egypt? Sudan? Burma? Afghanistan? was there a standard number for a battalion or company on campaign? sorry to be anglocentric, I'm not informed about French or Italian campaigns I'm assuming you mean to scale the number of wagons down.
Before the actual invasion, by January 1879, Chelmsford had 977 wagons, 56 carts, 10,023 oxen, 803 horses and 398 mules, with 2,000 extra natives to drive and manage them to cover the logistics needs of the 3 columns.
For my needs, I'll use as few as none to as many as 12 wagons depending on the scenario. I can include pack horses & pack mules because these were also used in significant numbers. As you know, you can only fit so many models on a wargaming table.
Donald
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Post by rmfex2003 on Apr 27, 2018 12:06:25 GMT
Thanks Donald, I was thinking how many should be in the background for a diorama of a company in action. But for the scaling question, your numbers are still provocative. 977 would scale to a good number of models, not just a couple. I guess the colonial period Is especially interested in wagons. Ambushing wagons was not a big part of most horse & musket periods (Spanish guerillas, cossacks in 1812/13 are famous because they are exceptional). But the slow progress of his wagons and need to protect them was a big issue for Chelmsford. Attacking supply lines was the default approach for most tribes against western armed troops.
Do you have any insights as to which theatres had wagons with ‘fighting columns’. My impression is that on the North West Frontier, camels and mules went with the troops.
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Post by paintdog on Apr 27, 2018 19:42:22 GMT
I guess the colonial period Is especially interested in wagons. Ambushing wagons was not a big part of most horse & musket periods (Spanish guerillas, cossacks in 1812/13 are famous because they are exceptional). But the slow progress of his wagons and need to protect them was a big issue for Chelmsford. Attacking supply lines was the default approach for most tribes against western armed troops. Do you have any insights as to which theatres had wagons with ‘fighting columns’. My impression is that on the North West Frontier, camels and mules went with the troops. I think you are perfectly correct in your views of the use of transport in the AZW. As well as a target, wagons can also produce cover, of course.
I must admit, we only game the AZW & The Sudan so, shamefully, I don't know much about other colonial conflicts. And as I'm sure you know, to get a wargame to work takes compromises. A diorama can be relied upon to be more accurate historically. So if we were to game Ulundi (unlikely), we'd need to fill a table with figures & leave out the wagons. We have gamed Inyezane.
As you can see, we only used a fraction of the wagons present. Most of these are generic & I will gladly replace them with the HaT product, BTW.
donald
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Post by rmfex2003 on Apr 27, 2018 23:21:13 GMT
thank you for the lovely pictures. was that the battle of 22nd January? Lots of nice HaT figures there, but in the spirit of this thread, perhaps more wagons needed?
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Post by paintdog on Apr 28, 2018 2:04:31 GMT
Some wargamers don't like or need a lot of "window-dressing". And that's fine.
I like the little extras: the speciality figures, the special bits of terrain, the hard to get models. I've not long completed an AZW aide station, with 2 patients on stretchers, a doctor kneeling & offering help & another approaching with a saw! None of this has anything to do with the game but with "The Look".
So, you're right, *when* HaT releases its wagon sets, I will get a number of them.....even though, strictly speaking, they're not necessary. But they look g-o-o-d.
However, war-gaming is still a game. So would 20 wagons at our Inyezane be OK?.......could be pushing it. 50? Definitely no. The cluttering of the table would interfere with the game. It wouldn't look right nor game right.
There's why 977 wagons are out of the question.
donald
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Post by richard on Apr 28, 2018 10:09:16 GMT
Pictures look great Donald. If you had more photos of these to share on here then I for one would definitely enjoy them!
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Post by paintdog on Apr 28, 2018 12:57:27 GMT
Pictures look great Donald. If you had more photos of these to share on here then I for one would definitely enjoy them! Very nice of you.
donald
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Post by paintdog on Apr 28, 2018 22:37:25 GMT
HaT were kind enough to send me 2 wagons to paint:
As you can see, you can tweak them a bit. I like more Oxen & have used a metal team I have. Adding a cargo to the wagon enhances the look too.
donald
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