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Post by Brian on Aug 21, 2018 18:38:03 GMT
It looks like Hat's ship has come in according to Drum and Flag the new Hat figures and Restocks are imminent here is the list. Impending New Releases and Restocks from HaT. Due September 2018. Codes starting with an 8 are 1/72 scale. Codes starting with a 9 are 1/32 scale. Good news. New Releases 8234 French Greatcoats 8294 Nap 1815 French Marching 8296 Nap Mid-Early French Marching 8297 Nap French Command Restocks 8147 Nassau Infantry 8169 Bavarian Fusiliers 8179 Gatling gun 8180 Gardner Gun 8186 British Peninsular Infantry 8198 Austrian Grenadiers 8199 German Jaeger 8200 German Infantry 8204 Austrian Grenzer 8210 Colonial Artillery 8233 Austrian Landwehr 9314 Bavarian Command 9400 7YW Prussian Command 9401 7YW Prussian Marching 9402 7YW Prussian Action www.facebook.com/DrumandFlag/
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Post by Forum Admin on Aug 22, 2018 7:42:24 GMT
A longer list here of new and restocks, plus a few odds and ends not on the list:
8078 Sea Peoples 8079 Nubians 8109 WWI German Arty 8118 WW2 Romanian Inf 8129 Theban Army
8145 Parthian Cataphracts 8147 Nassau Infantry 8148 WWI French Inf 8158 WWI US Inf 8161 WWI Late French Arty
8168 Andalusian Inf 8169 Bavarian Fusiliers 8176 El Cid Spanish Inf 8179 Gatling Gun and Crew 8180 Gardner Gun
8182 Natal Native Horse 8186 Pen War British Inf 8198 Austrian Grenadiers 8199 WWI German Jaeger 8200 WWI German Inf
8201 El Cid Spanish Light Cav 8204 Austrian Grenzer 8210 Brit Colonial Arty 8220 French Light Inf Carabiniers 8226 Austrian Cannon and Limber
8233 Austrian Landwehr 8234 French Inf in Greatcoats 8250 Taaishi Camelry 8269 Ruga-Ruga 8270 Schutztruppen
8288 Colonial British Dragoons 8289 Bengal Lancers 8294 1815 French Inf Marching 8296 pre-1812 French Inf Marching 8297 French Inf Command 8303 Nap. Spanish Command
9024 Numidian Cav 9054 Spanish Cav 9308 Wurttemberg Grenadiers 9309 Wurttemberg Musketeers 9310 French Elites in Greatcoats
9311 French Elites Command 9314 Bavarian Command 9315 Bavarian Inf Action 9316 Wurttemberg Jaeger Command 9317 Prussian Inf Marching
9318 Prussian Inf Action 9320 Russian Inf Marching 9321 Russian Inf Action 9325 Prussian Landwehr Command
9400 7YW Prussian Command 9401 7YW Prussian Inf Marching 9402 7YW Prussian INf Action
28001 Spanish Heavy Inf 28004 French Chasseurs Marching 28009 French Carabiniers 28010 Bavarian Marching 28011 Bavarian Action
28014 Prussian Infantry (Action) 28015 Prussian Infantry (Command) 28016 French Light Infantry Action 28017 French Light Infantry Command 28019 Andalusian Heavy Cav
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Post by joe5790 on Aug 22, 2018 9:24:12 GMT
I'm eagerly waiting for September to come now. It is great to see the 28mm sets are still being restocked, despite the apparent dislike of the scale by members of this forum, and those in the wider community who deride the sets scale issues. I'll definitely be getting some Bavarians and French at some point when I'm finished with my 28mm Swedish army.
Wish I could pre-order some of these sets from various retailers as I seriously want some of the Nassau infantry boxes so I can convert them to Swedish infantry as that box set is never going to get restocked again (I assume) and the Nassau sculpts are a lot better overall. (This is for my games at home where I use 1/72 scale for historical games, just so I don't confuse anyone with my 28mm comments above)
Though for this project I need some advice. What glue or method would be best for gluing the soft plastics HaT uses with another model? Normal Plastic Cement from Revell doesn't seem to work. Super glue will always work, but bits will still break off it they fall, and its so messy using it on smaller parts I'd rather not use it. I never pin my models because I seriously cannot be bothered to do it, and in the past I've never really needed to (usually the Revell glue did the job, or I just used a combination of Superglue and Green Stuff if it was a larger metal model).
So what type of glue would do the job as I've looked on Google, but no one seems to use a particular glue type for the soft plastics.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 22, 2018 11:36:18 GMT
This may only part help as it does include super glue:
For my figure conversions I apply a coat of 'Rocket Tricky Stick' to the two parts to be glued and then super glue. It also works on the shiny plastics.
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Post by stevo0113 on Aug 22, 2018 18:28:20 GMT
Great list of restocks HAT just about every thing I need I will have to ask the wife for more pocket money or do some overtime to pay for this little lot. I predict big profit jump for HAT well done but about time
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Post by Stan on Aug 23, 2018 9:14:31 GMT
Great to finally see 1/32 on the Restock list! The choice however remains vague to me...I know several places were the listed items still can be purchased while the 9302 and 9304 are sold out everywhere just like the Carabiniers are hard to find! Hope they will be on the list next? However, it is still great to see new stocks of these 1/32 figures! Thank you HaT this gives hope and joy for the 1/32 future!
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Post by endeavour on Aug 23, 2018 11:59:25 GMT
Always good to see restocks as well as new releases, but disappointed not to see 8253 Late war Prussian marching on the list.
Also is there any confirmation on the number of figures in the 8234 French in greatcoats and 8294 French line marching? Do we get a reasonable 40/48 or a disappointing 20/24?
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Post by joe5790 on Aug 23, 2018 14:35:09 GMT
Always good to see restocks as well as new releases, but disappointed not to see 8253 Late war Prussian marching on the list. Also is there any confirmation on the number of figures in the 8234 French in greatcoats and 8294 French line marching? Do we get a reasonable 40/48 or a disappointing 20/24? www.drumandflag.co.uk/collections/future-releases/hat
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Post by endeavour on Aug 23, 2018 15:52:06 GMT
Always good to see restocks as well as new releases, but disappointed not to see 8253 Late war Prussian marching on the list. Also is there any confirmation on the number of figures in the 8234 French in greatcoats and 8294 French line marching? Do we get a reasonable 40/48 or a disappointing 20/24? www.drumandflag.co.uk/collections/future-releases/hatI asked the question in case Drum and Flag were using stock photos from the Hat website. A previous comment from Admin on this subject had implied that the number of figures in the box may change. Your link, useful though it may be, does not clarify things
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Post by joe5790 on Aug 23, 2018 16:01:45 GMT
Fair enough, but I would imagine that the number on the images would be the correct one, as I see no reason for drum and flag to show that if the information on it is going to be wrong. It serves them no benefit if the number is wrong.
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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Aug 23, 2018 16:09:21 GMT
I too would like to know exact quantities for the new french sets, your website states poses and quantities subject to change. I am about to place a large order and want to order the correct amounts of each set.
I am disappointed that the french in greatcoats is only showing 3 poses the other sets have what looks like six poses which is reasonable.
can you please confirm exact box quantities and poses so that we can get our orders correct I know you said that changes would be made for sets going forward but we are a bit in limbo about latest releases.
thanks Allan
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Post by Forum Admin on Aug 23, 2018 17:56:56 GMT
The numbers on the box fronts are correct to my knowledge.
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Post by endeavour on Aug 23, 2018 20:06:00 GMT
Let's hope the number of figures per box, or lack thereof, is reflected in the price!
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Post by Forum Admin on Aug 23, 2018 20:17:56 GMT
Prices reflects the cost of production and other costs of making the tools (which are not under our control) and even though those costs have risen every year, sometimes dramatically, the best price is always given!
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Post by Brian on Aug 23, 2018 23:33:12 GMT
Regarding Numbers on new Hat French Infantry I think it would be quite difficult to get more than 4 sprues in a box, I am a fan of the separate packs and the extra heads will be used, so lets hope the price is on the low side as I have a lot of Airfix and Esci figures that need to have a well earned retirement. As for restocks I am really pleased to see many of Hats best Napoleonic sets again 8147 Nassau Infantry, 8169 Bavarian Fusiliers, 8186 British Peninsular Infantry, 8198 Austrian Grenadiers, 8204 Austrian Grenzer and 8233 Austrian Landwehr all of which have been out of production for too long. I saw the Nassau Infantry on ebay go for £47 a few months ago I am glad I was out bid now, Great figures though could also be painted as French and I like the Swedish Infantry idea with Headswaps. Hat have made my restocks list a lot smaller Nap Prussian Infantry Action and Marching are top of that list now, the rest I will email to Hat soon. email
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Post by Forum Admin on Aug 24, 2018 5:05:21 GMT
The size of the sets may be small but some of the sets are quite complex with the French Command set coming in at 92 pieces and long tooling time and costs.
All things being equal, would our customer base wish for same sized sprues with more figures and less pieces, or less figures and more pieces and complexity?
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Post by endeavour on Aug 24, 2018 5:43:09 GMT
The size of the sets may be small but some of the sets are quite complex with the French Command set coming in at 92 pieces and long tooling time and costs. All things being equal, would our customer base wish for same sized sprues with more figures and less pieces, or less figures and more pieces and complexity? The Prussian command set had a lot of pieces but still gave us an acceptable 36 figures for the same price as the 40 marching or action. As a lone voice I would prefer more figures less complexity every time. I can appreciate that production prices go up but to suddenly halve the number of figures in a box just because they have separate packs seems excessive.
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Post by Forum Admin on Aug 24, 2018 6:13:08 GMT
As previously mentioned, prices are always best possible under the circumstances of the situation.
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Post by Steve W on Aug 24, 2018 8:07:38 GMT
Less figures more complexity for me. Plastic figures are so cheap it's not funny, whether there's 96, 56, 48, 40, 36, 24 or 20 figures in a box. But as I have already mentioned, I am very happily working my way through several hundred excellent Franznap Baden figures which work out to more than 1 euro each.
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Post by Mikey G on Aug 24, 2018 8:24:19 GMT
As previously mentioned, prices are always best possible under the circumstances of the situation. You would make a good politician lol
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Post by joe5790 on Aug 24, 2018 9:58:09 GMT
Well if you look at other sets that only sell around 20 model per box, I think your looking at around £5-7 per box. So I would imagine that the French won't be too bad in price. That is very good, considering that all 28mm manufacturers sell their sets for £20+ for 20-40 models, and yet HaT can sell theirs for £9-£10 for the same number of models. Granted the other sets have lots of little bits so you can pose them as you see fit, but for historical models I don't see the point in multipart kits only for the sake of posing then differently. So I'm happy with the cost savings by using Hats 28mm sets.
As to the types of kits that should be made, I do not mind the smaller boxes with extra bits so long as the boxes come with the ability to make more than one type of unit. For example, the Seven Years War Prussian infantry can be made in 3 different unit types just by changing the head.
This is perfect in my opinion as it means that the company doesn't have to develop and release more boxes to cover the other unit types.
For Napoleonics, I know that this might be a little bit more difficult, but take for example the Confederation of the Rhine and the more minor states in it. While they all had specific details that made them stand out, I'm sure that HaT could create a box with a generic body and couple of head swaps and other distinctive bits that allows players to make any of the Confederation troops that HaT has designed the set to represent.
In this instance I would be happy to have few models in the box, so long as it gives me a couple of option. The new French Early to Mid War box set does this by having different heads so you can choose which part of the war you want them to be from, though I am surprised that the body has a head already attached as it would have been better for all the heads to be separate instead of cutting the attached head off first.
All that being said, if the box only comes with one type of unit, and very little in the way of bits, for example Russian infantry marching and only comes with around 4 poses, then yeah I don't mind having up to 48 models per box. There's very little in the way of variation in that type of box so I would prefer to have more in that box. But if that box had the ability to make more than the one unit type, then yeah I'll take the cut in models for the greater customisation.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Aug 25, 2018 0:35:03 GMT
Sadly got a response from an email that HaT will not be able to restock 8279 Napoleonic generals for maybe a year.
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Post by waynew on Aug 25, 2018 21:25:26 GMT
I share your pain; but on the bright side, at least HaT does restock their sets - it's not "one and done" so there's hope.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 27, 2018 17:11:39 GMT
Well I am very pleased with these new releases and restocks. I passed up the chance of buying the 1/32 scale SYW Prussians when they were first available but can now rectify that mistake. I advise any newcomers to the hobby to buy the figures that you want now as restocks can be few and far between.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by rmfex2003 on Aug 28, 2018 8:50:41 GMT
In relation to the issue about small sets against price, I am not worried about small sets (in terms of figures rather than pose number). For me HaT make my favourite figures and are good value. I would ask HaT to improve availability and speed of new sets, even if the sets have fewer figures.
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