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Post by minuteman on Sept 12, 2018 16:33:23 GMT
The recently re-released big set of Nassau infantry appears to be selling like proverbial 'hot cakes' here in the UK, where two of the largest on-line retailers (at least) appear already to have sold out. This may only be a temporary state, and for those who are looking for re-released Nassauers I hope it is. But even so....
I, fortunately, bagged a couple of sets of this, probably Hat's best ever Napoleonic set (with the Peninsular British infantry a very close second in my humble opinion) on the day they went on sale. With sufficient Nassau units already, the new acquisitions will become French infantry for my Peninsular War project.
One observation: Does this not say a huge amount about the popularity of 'big' sets with all infantry types, including command, included? Balancing 96 figures to a box with 24 or even 20, I know which I prefer...…
Having said that, some lengthy columns of 1815 French infantry will be marching before too long. I have invested in a good number of boxes of the new set and very nice they are too, likewise the excellent French infantry command set.
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Post by stevo0113 on Sept 12, 2018 19:36:06 GMT
It not just the Nassau infantry that's running out the British peninsular seem to be out of stock at a few retailers & the Austrian grenzers & Landwehr have disappeared a from a few dealers lists as well. I too bought everything I wanted as soon as I noticed the restocks were out so glad I did now. The hat sets seem to be at bargain prices compared to the competition buy buy buy now don't miss out
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Post by richard on Sept 12, 2018 21:53:04 GMT
I've noticed the same as well. Hopefully this will encourage Hat to be quicker with future re-stocks. It should be easy money for them!
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Post by waynew on Sept 14, 2018 1:44:02 GMT
Folks, that appears to be the name of the game now. Gone are the days when our toy soldiers were produced by big corporations who had the entire chain of production under their complete control and could churn out tens to hundreds of thousands of our little guys for our pleasure. Most of our newer toy soldiers (and even the older ones still in production) are made by small - what we in the USA call - "Mom and Pop" companies who often have to hire or "farm out" much of the work to others. For instance, many of our US makers, such as HaT, have their figures made in China in a complex process that has been discussed here many times before.
My point here is this: restocks are becoming more and more scarce. When was the last re-issue of Airfix or Italeri figures? For some companies there will NEVER be restocks because of the molding process they use. I just read an inquiry on another forum about restocks. The answer from the company was that once a production run was sold it could be assumed to be gone - out of production. This company does not do restocks because their molds are "one and done."
It's just their business model and it works for them. I've learned that if I want their sets I'd better get them NOW or never. One of my favorite 1/32 producers, Ron Barzso, is going out of business. He's retiring. A bunch of us have been talking about his old playsets; it was the highlight of my Christmas that about every year he'd release his yearly playset at the Chicago Toy Soldier Show. My wife learned to get one quickly and have it under the tree so I could relive my childhood every year.
I say you had to move fast because I learned to my regret he limited his production to 500 copies of each set and even the extra figures and accessory sets went out of production due to his molding process - which allowed him to do most of his product close to home. His farewell set will be limited to 100. Fifty were already pre-sold... As we say, "if you snooze, you lose."
I think HaT does pretty good on restocks when you think about it.
So while I can understand your frustration I wish someone would give our friends at HaT the benefit of the doubt on restocks - at least some patience. After all, with over three hundred sets in their catalog and more on the way it is remarkable in this day and age that they are able to do as much as they are able to do keep their figures in stock. At the same time, the issue on availability of this or that particular set may not be HaT's fault at all - maybe your RETAILER underestimated the demand for Pommeranian Piccolo Players and sold out. In which case he or she might have more on order. Maybe you can check somewhere else on line?
But remember this, HaT may seem slow in getting those Pommeranian Piccolo Players to you, and it may be a couple years before you see them again (but I suspect as the ball gains momentum wait-time might not be so long in the future) but odds are pretty good that unless something catastrophic happens they will show up again - something we cannot say about figures whose molds wore out or whose company has moved on to other endeavors.
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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 14, 2018 5:58:31 GMT
It not just the Nassau infantry that's running out the British peninsular seem to be out of stock at a few retailers & the Austrian grenzers & Landwehr have disappeared a from a few dealers lists as well. This should be a temporary situation, restocks have not run out yet.
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 14, 2018 7:48:19 GMT
I realise that most companies only sell a set for a limited time, but I found that out after searching for certain boxes. After coming from Games Workshops products where the some models are still sold 20 years after they were first produced, took me by surprise. After all, if you have a popular set why would it go out of production?
Then I realised that, in HaTs case at least, they have hundreds of box sets spanning many different time periods. Keeping them in production just isn't feasible, especially for scales that, while not dead, aren't popular with the majority of the wargaming crowd and many gamers just don't seem to want to play historical games as much anymore (probably because there is more scope for imagination in the fantasy and sci-fi games).
However, what I think HaT are doing with the Marching, Action and Command sets is the right way to go as it means that they can streamline and reduce the amount of box sets they sell, meaning that restocking them can be quicker. Secondly by doing this they can add in new bits that allows the box to work for several different things (I had an example in another thread about creating one box with a fairly generic Napoleonic infantry body and pack the box with enough bits to make several different regiments for the Confederation of the Rhine troops)
They can even go one further and streamline any Dark Age box sets they have. I would imagine that a Viking and Saxon or French or any army in Western Europe werent very different from each other (and i could be wrong) so a generic body would do them fine, with a few bits added into the box that are distinctive to these particular peoples.
The only thing I would want in these types of box sets, that if they design a set with different heads I would hope they add a hollow in the torso for the head to go into. I like the new French Early to Mid War Napoleonic set, but I hate that I have to cut the head off the body just to put a Shako head on, considering that plastic glue doesn't seem to work on any HaT set. I can only use epoxy glue, green stuff or superglue and none of these are ideal.far too messy at times.
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Post by stevo0113 on Sept 14, 2018 12:53:38 GMT
In a way I quite like some of the sets are unavailable it adds to the excitement when they are eventually released & the great feeling & happiness when you get your hands on a set you have been after for the last 3 years is amazing. the best things in life are worth waiting for this includes plastic soldiers
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Post by tommo7 on Sept 20, 2018 15:15:50 GMT
I bought a small number, I figured Hat have the moulds and everything in place and ready to go now to pump out as many of these as they like and the faster they sell the more likely they'll get the presses rolling again.
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 22, 2018 18:05:53 GMT
I got 4 boxes of the Nassau infantry, mostly for converting to Swedish infantry purposes, but after finding suitable 25mm scale (and that's old 25mm scale as the models are more or less the same size as modern 1/72 models, though one could say they are more Heroic Scale 1/72 now) to use for my Swedes I decided to build the Nassau troops as proper Nassau regiments of 1808-1813 while still under Napoleons thumb.
I'm loving the fact that the set had 24 marching pose infantry models, as well as 8 Grenadiers in attention pose, as it has allowed me to make 4 Battalions (2 Regiments) that look the part of marching infantry. About as much as I need to be historically accurate for the time frame as far as I can research.
Makes me wish that the Swedish infantry box set was just as suitably well kitted out. 4 boxes of the Swedish infantry (which were not easy to get hold of at this stage) and I can't make 3 battalions. So many poses in that box set that are just unusable (as a wargamer first, the marching pose is the only pose I consider usable and the old box only has 12 of them. After them the Jagere with the fancy hat, not the Shako, are the next best as that is how the Swedes distinguished their light infantry from the Line Infantry) especially for the Grenadiers and Guard models it has.
One day I hope HaT will revisit the Swedes and give them the same treatment as the Nassau troops as that is a fantastic box set
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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 22, 2018 19:59:20 GMT
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 22, 2018 21:50:55 GMT
Forum AdminI must admit I like that master model, for two reasons. One, it's in marching pose. And two, whoever sculpted them made them a sort of Heroic Scale, as side by side with other models in the scale they look very beefy. One might say they would be perfect for 28mm as they are. As I already talked with HaT about the Swedes, I know that they do not really want to restock this set, but I would hope to see these guys re-released in a new set with at least one extra marching pose if not two, a drummer, and a flag bearer (it doesn't need a pole moulded to it as we can source that for ourselves) My perfect world idea for this new box would be: 24 marching infantry 4 Drummers 4 Flag bearers (Though with spare Muskets so we can use it as an extra musketeer if we don't want a flag) 4 Officers 12 Jagere Infantry (these would be the kusket wearing ones in the box already, with some of the Line Infantry action poses from the original box modified to give a few more poses (the aiming and loading models specifically)). In all cases, the original masters should be fine, but I think they could use editing to add details to the weapons and give them a proper bayonet, and convert the figures I specified for the Jagere. Extra line infantry marching poses shouldn't be too difficult to achieve if the pictured master model were 3D scanned and edited digitally by a capable 3d sculptor to move the legs and arms around to make unique poses. Though this can be applied to all of the suggested edits. Unfortunately, the Grenadiers and Guards would have to be redone as the poses they have are just not any good.
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Post by steinar on Jul 8, 2019 20:44:14 GMT
My point here is this: restocks are becoming more and more scarce. When was the last re-issue of Airfix or Italeri figures? For some companies there will NEVER be restocks because of the molding process they use. I just read an inquiry on another forum about restocks. The answer from the company was that once a production run was sold it could be assumed to be gone - out of production. This company does not do restocks because their molds are "one and done." But it seems that at least Italeri figures are readily available everywhere? They are also still sold from their own site, and as I just started with this hobby again, there is where I get the "normal stuff" like french infantry and so on, while the really cool stuff like Brunswick infantry I get from HAT. When it comes to HaT that I guess you are referrig to, I have heard that they feel their sets are so niche, that restocks would not be economically viable. And from the time it takes most of their sets to sell out, I think that is a reasonable assement.
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Post by bongman on Jul 8, 2019 21:09:45 GMT
My point here is this: restocks are becoming more and more scarce. When was the last re-issue of Airfix or Italeri figures? For some companies there will NEVER be restocks because of the molding process they use. I just read an inquiry on another forum about restocks. The answer from the company was that once a production run was sold it could be assumed to be gone - out of production. This company does not do restocks because their molds are "one and done." But it seems that at least Italeri figures are readily available everywhere? They are also still sold from their own site, and as I just started with this hobby again, there is where I get the "normal stuff" like french infantry and so on, while the really cool stuff like Brunswick infantry I get from HAT. When it comes to HaT that I guess you are referrig to, I have heard that they feel their sets are so niche, that restocks would not be economically viable. And from the time it takes most of their sets to sell out, I think that is a reasonable assement. Actually Italeri probably has the worst French infantry! HaT has pretty decent ones and a huge range of French that Italeri doesn't have.
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