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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 13, 2018 3:06:58 GMT
For those who wish to see the ACW marching figures as 2 sets, please separate these figures into 2 sets, using all the figures (12 figures to a sprue): Add this #13 figure into the mix if desired:
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Post by Neilad on Sept 13, 2018 3:35:01 GMT
I think it would be best to just go Shell jackets v's Sack/Frock coats. So 1,4,5,7,8,9 in one box (Union) and 2,3,6,10,11,12 (Confederate) in the other. Now you might consider putting 9 and 1 also in the Confederate box to get another figure with a hat and blanket rolls, and maybe 10 or 11 in the Union box as there were units that used the Shell Jacket but not as many as the sack coat.
Union would be predominantly in Fatigue Cap, (unless Western Theatre) and Confederate mostly slouch hat, so if you were going to double up on figures on a sprue then consider doing the hat figures in the confederate box and maybe the blanket roll ones in the Union.
So if you were aiming for 12 figures to a sprue then I'd go for the union box. 1,1,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,9,10,11 , for the confederate 1,2,3,3,6,6,9,10,11,11,12,12
That's my 2c worth anyway.
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Post by Marco Zappa on Sept 13, 2018 10:44:20 GMT
I think it would be best to just go Shell jackets v's Sack/Frock coats. So 1,4,5,7,8,9 in one box (Union) and 2,3,6,10,11,12 (Confederate) in the other. Now you might consider putting 9 and 1 also in the Confederate box to get another figure with a hat and blanket rolls, and maybe 10 or 11 in the Union box as there were units that used the Shell Jacket but not as many as the sack coat. Union would be predominantly in Fatigue Cap, (unless Western Theatre) and Confederate mostly slouch hat, so if you were going to double up on figures on a sprue then consider doing the hat figures in the confederate box and maybe the blanket roll ones in the Union. So if you were aiming for 12 figures to a sprue then I'd go for the union box. 1,1,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,9,10,11 , for the confederate 1,2,3,3,6,6,9,10,11,11,12,12 That's my 2c worth anyway. I am with Neilad...good idea. I agree.
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Post by Slotrace.dk on Sept 13, 2018 11:53:04 GMT
Interesting. Will the heads be changable?
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 13, 2018 16:19:12 GMT
I too agree with Neilad, I think that is the best path. A bit sad the figure with rolled blanket only comes with sack coat, and the frock coat figure is only usable as Union with the Hardee. And we're also seeing only 24 figures per box?
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Post by Paul W on Sept 14, 2018 15:13:06 GMT
I would suggest union 1,1,4,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,8,8 and confederate 1,2,2,3,3,6,6,9,9,10,11,12
I am thinking in terms of head swaps for figure 8 to add variety and possibly allow use as a confederate as well as union (hence the wish for a greater number of this figure).
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Post by Andy on Sept 14, 2018 19:13:46 GMT
I too agree with Neilad, I think that is the best path. A bit sad the figure with rolled blanket only comes with sack coat, and the frock coat figure is only usable as Union with the Hardee. And we're also seeing only 24 figures per box? There were originally three different figures with frock coats in the raw scans with different hat styles, that was then reduced to the one we see now. When I expressed my disappointment at this change the feedback was that people did not want many frock coats. However I think a mix of 1,4,5,7,8 would work well as union figures maybe 1,1,4,4,5,5,5,7,7,8,8,8 and 2,3,6,9,10,11,12 as confederate maybe 2,2,3,3,6,6,9,9,10,11,12,12
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 14, 2018 22:40:47 GMT
I too agree with Neilad, I think that is the best path. A bit sad the figure with rolled blanket only comes with sack coat, and the frock coat figure is only usable as Union with the Hardee. And we're also seeing only 24 figures per box? There were originally three different figures with frock coats in the raw scans with different hat styles, that was then reduced to the one we see now. When I expressed my disappointment at this change the feedback was that people did not want many frock coats. However I think a mix of 1,4,5,7,8 would work well as union figures maybe 1,1,4,4,5,5,5,7,7,8,8,8 and 2,3,6,9,10,11,12 as confederate maybe 2,2,3,3,6,6,9,9,10,11,12,12 Well we should at least have a frock coat figure with a kepi, could be for both sides, but I understand if it's only two sprues per box nowadays which in itself is sad, I'd love a big box of marchers instead, 96 figures of Union and CS marching, with a slew of frock coats, wouldn't that be neat..
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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 14, 2018 23:20:35 GMT
Add this #13 figure into the mix if desired:
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Post by elektrikeal on Sept 14, 2018 23:39:50 GMT
(1,4,5,7,8,9) x 2 for 12 figures (Union) and (2,3,6,10,11,12) x 2 for 12 figures (Confederate) With a few extra head's for swaps ?
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Post by waynew on Sept 15, 2018 5:30:58 GMT
I, too, like Neilad's scheme; include #13 in the frock coat crowd if you can.
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Post by Andy on Sept 15, 2018 9:51:25 GMT
Great if number 13 is possible in the mix. Neilad's original suggestion appears popular - would a slight variation to allow the inclusion of fig 13 be the following. union box. 1,1,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,9,13,13 confederate box 1,2,3,3,6,6,9,10,10,11,12,12
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Post by Paul W on Sept 15, 2018 17:47:28 GMT
I would suggest union 1,1,4,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,8,8 and confederate 1,2,2,3,3,6,6,9,9,10,11,12 I am thinking in terms of head swaps for figure 8 to add variety and possibly allow use as a confederate as well as union (hence the wish for a greater number of this figure). Pleased to see number 13 now as a possible in the mix - it is a good figure with a variety of uses. Perhaps I will not have to go to the trouble of head swaps. The modified suggestion below I have copied from the post by Andy now looks good. union box. 1,1,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,9,13,13 confederate box 1,2,3,3,6,6,9,10,10,11,12,12
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Post by Neilad on Sept 17, 2018 15:40:40 GMT
OK, so here's my further comment. My thinking was that there would be 4 sprues to a box. While I understand the desire by some to have figures in Hardee hats, they weren't the most common so having 1/3 of the box devoted to that figure doesn't make a lot of sense. Hence my approach of doubling up that figure only. It would have meant 8 figures for a box (if 4 sprues). Get two boxes and you should have enough for a unit for most wargames. It would be nice if Hat still included extra heads. That gives everyone the best possible choice. The additional frock coat figure is nice but lets be honest. Frock coats weren't common. IMO, HaT killed most of their Union figure sales by putting all there Union figures in Frock coats. It certainly halved if not more the number of boxes I purchased.
I think HaT have somewhat missed the boat also by not having a figure in shell jacket with a blanket roll. If figure 9 was in a shell jacket it would be ideal. My inclusion of this figure in my confederate listing was purely to get at least one figure with a blanket roll and hat. That being said it probably wouldn't be hard to add some green stuff to some of the other figures, but I know not everyone would be up for doing that.
If we are stuck with the figures that are shown I don't think that the frock coat figure would change much for me. I'd probably just remove figure 9 and replace it with 13 in the union box. 1,1,4,5,5,7,7,8,8,10,11,13. For the confederate, given that figure 6 has the same body as figure 10 I'd probably drop the 6 double for one figure of 13. 1,2,3,3,6,9,10,11,11,12,12,13. As I say having additional heads may make a difference and having a shell jacket figure with a blanket roll would be good. If additional heads can be provided, have more hats in the confederate box and more fatigue caps in the union (along with at least one additional Hardee, that way figure 13 could be converted to match 8 if required).
I know not everyone's combinations will be able to be met so I know that I may just have to work with what is provided.
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Post by Marco Zappa on Sept 17, 2018 18:47:35 GMT
Add this #13 figure into the mix if desired: ...good idea, Is he a black soldier?
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 17, 2018 19:29:07 GMT
Why not a 96 figure set just called ACW marching? Have all different types, rolled blanket with sack coat and so on, considering how popular the period is many would buy it. Isn't more work with all these smaller sets..
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Post by Neilad on Sept 17, 2018 22:47:57 GMT
96 figure set would be nice if you were starting out and were looking at both sides but I think for someone that may be wanting to only do one side it may mean purchasing a lot of figures that would be of little use. In saying that, there may be many that won't really care and will use all figures for both sides. With 13 figures it would unlikely end up being a 96 figure box. My preference if a big box was on offer would be to have an even mix of body type and then have extra heads. For eg. figure 1 and 9 are the same body with a different head. Same with 13 and 8, 2-12, 10-3, 6-11. I still think a shell jacket figure in a hat with a blanket roll is needed even if it had to replace one of the existing shell jacket figures. I'd go with making figure 12 have a blanket roll. I'd drop the additional Frock coated figure, and then use the original 1 - 12 with the blanket modified figure and then have 6 additional heads. One wearing Hardee hat, 3 normal hat and 2 in fatigue cap. That would give a good mix and people can have frock coat figures in whatever hat they require. The big box issue is it makes it a pain if you only after a couple of additional figures of a particular coat type but have to get a whole box just for that. The smaller boxes do allow a little better buying flexibility. Well, I think I've said enough on this for now. Whichever way HaT goes, it won't please everyone. In relative terms though purchasing an extra box isn't going to break most peoples budgets.
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Post by Bran on Sept 18, 2018 8:53:18 GMT
If figure 9 was in a shell jacket it would be ideal. My inclusion of this figure in my confederate listing was purely to get at least one figure with a blanket roll and hat. I am looking forward to buying these sets whatever the final mix. However, having watched the discussion, I have been trying to imagine how I would use figure 9 (it seems to be a composite of figures 1 and 12). So if any figure did not appear this is the one I would miss least. That would leave 6 figures in sack/frock coats and 6 figures in shell jackets/shirts - an even split between two sets.
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Post by Neilad on Sept 18, 2018 14:21:25 GMT
And there lies part of the issue, some of the figure combinations aren't the best choice. If you look closely there are 4 different sack coat body variants (1 with blanket roll), 3 shell jacket variants and 1 frock coat variant. There are only 3 hat variants and one of these being the Hardee hat is purely a Union variant so only really 2 for confederate use yet 4 fatigue cap variants. If you had at least another hat variant and another shell jacket variant (say one with a blanket roll), you'd be able to cover a lot more variations. I agree that having the combination that figure 9 has makes it a difficult figure to use. Hopefully HaT is listening.
Maybe you'd go something like this for union 1,1,4,4,5,5,5,7,7,7,8,8 as a single sprue if you wanted to eliminate all shell jackets from that sprue. For the confederate 10,10,10,11,11,11,12,12,13,13,14,14 where 14 is a new figure, shell jacket with blanket roll and a new head in hat, conversely eliminating all sack coats from that sprue.
Now I know this is going off topic by requesting a new figure rather than just using what has been put forth but as stated the combos are not all right. At the end of the day if the figures are compatible with the IMEX and Accurate/Revell then I'll probably just swap a head in hat from one of those sets on to one of the HaT bodies. It would just be a shame not to get it from the start.
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 19, 2018 5:28:43 GMT
As much as I like customer interaction and influence over what is produced I'd say to HäT to release them the way you want, I think everyone stands behind Neilads suggestion, use it, we're tired of waiting, and need those figs in any way they come. That "other company" made a huge mistake by making frock coats the standard, but for me it didn't matter as the figures were so poorly done they were unusable anyway, but these HaT marchers seems so much better.
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 23, 2018 8:00:14 GMT
A bold question for Hat/Admin, can we expect these ACW figures before the year's end?
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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 23, 2018 8:47:34 GMT
There are 8 head/hat variations. A bold question for Hat/Admin, can we expect these ACW figures before the year's end? Due to the complexities of the production process there are no date estimates for any set. However, once each stage is finished, there will be pictures or announcements to that effect. This set is currently in the sizing stage.
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Post by Neilad on Sept 24, 2018 2:37:49 GMT
There was an additional hat figure that was part of the Command set that was used on marching figure 11. As it was primarily designed for the command set it looks more like and officers hat rather than from the regular troops. As stated having an additional hat figure for the Confederate contingent is highly desirable. If its not possible its not possible. Similarly the shell jacket, blanket roll figure would be highly desirable. I get the distinct impression from the response that we are stuck with what has currently been presented and that's it. If that is the case it will mean command figures all in sack coats for both sides.
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Post by traveller1865 on Sept 24, 2018 6:26:46 GMT
I agree about additional hat for the Confederates, we should at least have a straw hat, and bowler hat, or even stetson type hat.
In a perfect world we would see a separate frock coat set. I'm not that huge fan of the frock coat, but nevertheless the US marine battalion wore it, Confederate marines used it, NCOs used it, was common early in the war, but I suspect the market isn't that huge. Also agree about shell jacket and rolled blanket.
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Post by Malcolm on Sept 25, 2018 8:50:30 GMT
Seeing the discussion on the Nassau Infantry from a Wargamer it would appear that the only way forward would be to release 13 different sets then let you the clients to choose exactly which ones you want. I am not a wargamer, so although I like figures that are Marching and Stood at Attention because they are easier to paint and show up well the Uniforms and Facings, I also like to see that the figures are doing something. So with the SYW Prussian Infantry I bought only 1 box of Marching, 1 box of Command but 3 boxes of Action.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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