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Post by disco on Sept 18, 2018 6:45:39 GMT
Recently I decided to begin a Napoleonic British Peninsular army in 1/72 using Hat, HaT and Italeri miniatures. I plan to used it with Blucher rulebook and I want to stay focus to paint the whole army. For this reason I wrote a little article on my blog. If you know something that I could do improve my motivation, just tell me!. painting-gaming.blogspot.com/2018/09/how-to-stay-motivated.html
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Post by Tripod on Sept 19, 2018 22:17:39 GMT
Pick your favourite unit or figures.Dont allow yourself to touch thee until the others are finished.If you really want to do them ,the others will be done surprisingly quickly.
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 20, 2018 13:31:45 GMT
Hmm, I used to play at tournaments and that was always one of my main motivations as points were usually deducted for unpainted models.
Lately though, I've no real time for painting and I've lost the ability to motivate myself just to paint, but when I do I make sure to have something on in the background to listen to. Usually something I don't need look at (movies or tv shows I've already seen enough times to know what is going on (Pixars Wall-ie is oddly my go to movie), music, or YouTube videos).
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Post by endeavour on Sept 20, 2018 15:50:11 GMT
Since a child I've wanted all the Regiments in the hundred days, probably as back then the only Napoleonics were Waterloo focussed. Some forty odd years later the dream is almost a reality now that Prussian Militia are complete and Artillery train are on the drawing board. My motivation is getting the collection finished and I paint daily. If only there were some decent British Hussars and Netherlands Carabineers .....
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Post by waynew on Sept 21, 2018 6:02:29 GMT
I agree, pick your project and don't be distracted. Also, be consistent in your "work" schedule doing a minimum each night/day while at the same time don't work so long it becomes like WORK.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 21, 2018 7:33:58 GMT
I'm worried that if you look on painting figures as "work", that's what it will become. Painting for me is part of the hobby. If I didn't enjoy it, why do it?
About the only time I don't like painting is if I'm rushing to get a bunch done for a game or show: a deadline will kill enjoyment (pun intended).
Find a rate you're comfortable with & if it stops being enjoyable then stop painting. A week off isn't the end of the world.
I'd also recommend completing units. It is satisfying to have 1-2-3 etc battalions fully painted, based, with flags etc. A general commanding and a battery of guns. Add a complete light cavalry unit etc. That makes adding to the total more rewarding.
Finally, if you HATE painting, why not send them off to get painted for you? there are reasonable rates available.
donald
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Post by waynew on Sept 22, 2018 4:03:05 GMT
Paintdog, you make a great point. I was using "work" as a figure of speech as in the painting process; as I said, when it becomes "work" you're doing too much. As you said, it's supposed to be fun and relaxing. I've had a tendency with my OCD to push it to the point where it has become like a job I had to put so much time on or complete a quota in a day. I've definitely had to put a brake on that lest I burn myself completely out.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 22, 2018 19:04:59 GMT
Paintdog, you make a great point. I was using "work" as a figure of speech as in the painting process; as I said, when it becomes "work" you're doing too much. As you said, it's supposed to be fun and relaxing. I've had a tendency with my OCD to push it to the point where it has become like a job I had to put so much time on or complete a quota in a day. I've definitely had to put a brake on that lest I burn myself completely out. Wise, words, Wayne.
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Post by Zaphod on Sept 23, 2018 20:08:13 GMT
Also have trouble keeping motivated. I have two quite reasonably sized armies, basically opponents that I fight against each other. I considered them "finished" about 25 years ago, but they've aged quite badly and need extensive touch ups. They also need partial rebasing/magnetizing to suit newer rules systems like General D'Armee and Sharp Practice. The artillery is especially poor, with guns and draught teams requiring complete repainting. Also had to add a few units, for example of British 95th Rifles, to balance the sides. Despite over five months of work I've yet to get a single unit completed to my satisfaction.
Have repaired the worst of the paintwork problems on infantry and cav, and have mostly replaced the bases on the infantry, but have barely started on the cav. Biggest problem is I keep getting distracted researching new units and all the wonderful new figures available. Waste a lot of time trying to find figures compatible with my old units, for padding them out.
I find that rewatching old TV series on Netflix helps in the background. I generally know the stories quite well, so don't need to give full attention all the time.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 24, 2018 7:51:54 GMT
Also have trouble keeping motivated. I have two quite reasonably sized armies, basically opponents that I fight against each other. I considered them "finished" about 25 years ago, but they've aged quite badly and need extensive touch ups. They also need partial rebasing/magnetizing to suit newer rules systems like General D'Armee and Sharp Practice. The artillery is especially poor, with guns and draught teams requiring complete repainting. Also had to add a few units, for example of British 95th Rifles, to balance the sides. Despite over five months of work I've yet to get a single unit completed to my satisfaction. Have repaired the worst of the paintwork problems on infantry and cav, and have mostly replaced the bases on the infantry, but have barely started on the cav. Biggest problem is I keep getting distracted researching new units and all the wonderful new figures available. I find that rewatching old TV series on Netflix helps in the background. I generally know the stories quite well, so don't need to give full attention all the time. If I was to take a Freudian approach to your problem, I'd say you don't want to paint figures. Some people don't have time but you just seem to be avoiding the task. I like painting (which explains the several thousand painted figures I have) but I understand it is not for everyone.
I would again recommend to you & anyone who hates painting, to research pro painters. There are people in Asia (Phillipines, India etc) who paint 1/72 plastics for a very reasonable price.
If ever I don't feel like painting, I don't. If it was a permanent feeling, I would stop painting. The thing is, it's a hobby and if it's not enjoyable, why would I do it?
Best of luck, donald
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Post by Zaphod on Sept 25, 2018 3:43:20 GMT
.....Despite over five months of work I've yet to get a single unit completed to my satisfaction. ... If I was to take a Freudian approach to your problem, I'd say you don't want to paint figures. Some people don't have time but you just seem to be avoiding the task. I like painting (which explains the several thousand painted figures I have) but I understand it is not for everyone.
I would again recommend to you & anyone who hates painting, to research pro painters. There are people in Asia (Phillipines, India etc) who paint 1/72 plastics for a very reasonable price.
If ever I don't feel like painting, I don't. If it was a permanent feeling, I would stop painting. The thing is, it's a hobby and if it's not enjoyable, why would I do it?
Best of luck, donald
Hi Donald, Thanks for the psychoanalytical reply! Suppose I ought to just flop down on the couch... It's not that I dislike painting: I do actually enjoy it, though I get bored easily, especially when having to paint large numbers of the same figure. No, the problem is more subtle. I never used to be much of a perfectionist, but looking back at figures I was once quite happy with, I find myself disappointed at how mediocre they look. The hobby has really moved on in the 25 years since I last took part in it, and with all those beautifully painted figures on people's blogs and videos I see my efforts are rather shabby. (Don't get me wrong, they are still better than 90% of the stuff that gets sold on ebay, but that's not saying much.) Now, I know I can paint well. I've won prizes at the Model Engineer Exhibition, and had illustrations published (and paid for). Yet the new figures are not turning out quite as well as I'd hoped and it's kind of frustrating. Previously, I would wash the plastic figures, splash on some white or pale grey undercoat, and then just paint them in the recommended colours using Humbrol enamels, usually without attempting any shading or outlining of belts, etc. Glue 'em to a strip of beermat cut to required base size, paint that ochre-yellow, a coat of matt varnish, and .... job done. Nowadays, I carefully clean off any flash and excess plastic before washing the figures, undercoat them with PVA glue, then spray with primer. After painting the main colours using acrylics, I paint on a thin coat of oil-based dark shade over most of the figure. Since this dulls the colours, I then repaint nearly everything, adding highlights, shading, and finer details. Basing is now an extensive ritual, though I still use beermat as the foundation, but build it up with filler, grit, several layers of paint and PVA, and then drybrush, static grass and tufts. The final stage would be spraying the entire unit with a coat of matt varnish, except that none of my units have progressed that far yet. So, as you see, the whole process has got a whole lot more labour intensive. Also, I no longer trust my earlier reference material - things like Ugo Pericoli's Armies at Waterloo - and prefer to do my own uniformology research, which is also very time-consuming. Ultimately, my goal is just to get two armies, my armies, onto a presentable wargames table. I do in fact play quite regularly, once a month or so, and it's a great feeling to see all my troops on the table, more presentable each time, with better bases and ever fewer uncompleted figures. I *am* getting there, just rather too slowly for my liking. As for getting someone to paint figures for me. Hmmm. Well, maybe. I know one talented young chap who paints on commission and has very reasonable rates (which means he's always rather busy). I was thinking of buying the odd unit or two on ebay, but most of the available figures are of disappointingly poor quality and would need rebasing. And I know I would end up repainting them anyway... So, must end now. But maybe will come back for another therapy session at a later date.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 25, 2018 5:28:20 GMT
Hi Donald, Thanks for the psychoanalytical reply! No problem. The bill is in the post.
Now that you've elaborated, I see my "diagnosis" was incorrect.
You, sir, are a self-confessed perfectionist.
I admire perfectionists but, if you will take my opinion, they should never start to paint mass armies. That way lies tears.
I'm not a fan of skirmish games, but given the time & effort a perfectionist lavishes on single figures, this level of gaming might be for you?
Over at Benno's forum, most of the denizens are dioramists. Their work is beautiful, beyond wonderful. But they'll never game Waterloo or run the second day at Gettysburg. I like to think my figures are quite well painted (but at a guess, not nearly as good as yours). When I set up a game & invite my pals over, they glance at my set-up, perhaps say a brief word or two but then forget it & get down to the game. My point is simple: lower your standards if you want to paint large numbers of figures, if you want to game with armies of hundreds of figures.
Good luck, donald
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Post by richard on Sept 25, 2018 22:08:41 GMT
The best thing I did to remain enthusiastic whilst painting was to paint in smaller quantities. Previously I'd try and paint a whole box in one go. This meant I spent ages and ages painting the same things (50 redcoats, then 50 trousers etc). Now I paint in quantities of approx 15-20, which means I spend less time on each specific monotonous task and am able to more than one piece of kit in a sitting.
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Post by waynew on Sept 26, 2018 1:33:26 GMT
My big change came when I started taking digital pics of my figures and posting them. All my mistakes (that I didn't see with the naked eye) were magnified and drove me crazy. It still does, even with a lit magnifying glass when I work.
Perfectionists can achieve great things because they aim so high, but aren't happy with it because it could always be better. I used to be a perfectionist. Perfectionists are never happy because, face it - no one's perfect. I know, no matter what I achieved or did I was never pleased. If I made a "B" in school, I should have made an "A." If I made an "A" it should have been a higher "A." I could even nitpick 100s. How can you improve on that? But...
Believe it or not it was one of my battalion commanders in the 82nd Airborne Division that gave me something that helped me get over my perfectionism. In "The Division" (as we called it back then) we were a large group of Type AA personalities joined together. One day we were in a battalion formation and the colonel addressed us, "We cannot - nor should we ever try to - achieve perfection. Perfection is a Divine quality. But we CAN achieve - and should ALWAYS attempt to achieve - EXCELLENCE in everything we do."
It's hard for me to think it's been over thirty-five years but that stayed with me and gave me a new outlook on things. There's nothing wrong with wanting your figures to look great, but this is all supposed to be FUN! I look at some of the beautiful figures on display on some of the sites and boy I could really get discouraged if I let myself; then I think of how many hours those artists (and I think they have elevated painting toy soldiers to an art form or pretty close) have put into that one or small group of figures as I plow into a hundred or so lined up on my workspace... it's a tradeoff, I think.
Find your comfort zone, friend. Remember, when it's no longer fun - it's WORK (sorry for the four-letter word).
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Post by Zaphod on Sept 27, 2018 1:16:47 GMT
Well said waynew! Best quote I heard on this topic is the old business adage: "Do you want it perfect or do you want it Tuesday?" Perfectionism is indeed a curse, but in truth I don't think I suffer from it. Recently looked at some of the Airfix tank kits I made in my early teens, and others made at the same time by my slightly younger brother. Mine are quite a mess, wheels hopelessly misaligned, huge gaps in the hull, sloppy paintwork (my idea at the time of 'weathering'); his are much cleaner, wheels fairly even, very few gaps, paintwork in truth a little sterile and soul-less with odd colour choices, but all even. Now, he quit modelling and wargaming before he was 17, got mediocre exam grades and flunked out of university; I got straight As, a degree in Astrophysics (no, seriously) and am still a wargamer. My brother was and still is a perfectionist. I suffer from a different problem: I am probably the world's greatest procrastinator. I will know a project has to be in at 5pm on Tuesday and will take 3 hours, so I will start it at 2:30pm on Tuesday, realizing it will be rushed or even slightly late. So, the problem is, I keep putting off finishing my units. It's not all laziness. I genuinely find it hard to make decisions on which figures to use, on basing and unit size, and a myriad of other trivial issues. I know my painting technique is currently evolving and improving thanks to all those wonderful pictures and how-to vids (gamer porn, you might call it), so I don't want to definitively close a project too early and set it in stone. My only hope is that by trial and error and default, and deadlines imposed by needing to finish a unit for a 'big game', I will eventually stumble to the goal.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 27, 2018 7:39:05 GMT
Well said waynew ! and deadlines imposed by needing to finish a unit for a 'big game', I will eventually stumble to the goal. My place. Next Sunday. We're re-fighting Qatre Bras: can you bring du Nord? I'll have the D-Bs, British et al waiting.
donald
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Post by plasticpanzers on Oct 16, 2018 6:03:43 GMT
Used to paint just generic Napoleonics and ACW but for the last 30 or so years of the last 50 have concentrated on doing actual numbered/named units currently for my Carnage and Glory armies. Each unit has a permanent battalion/regimental number on its base. Currently at the scale I use I have about 700,000 troops. Only need 50 more years to finish....
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Post by bessiere on May 9, 2019 19:08:55 GMT
Pick your favourite unit or figures.Dont allow yourself to touch thee until the others are finished.If you really want to do them ,the others will be done surprisingly quickly. Ha! My exact thinking as well. That's why I started with Austrian infantry and will eventually get to French Hussars and foot Cossacks that i am dying to do.
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Post by greentiger on May 10, 2019 10:33:15 GMT
Just do a little bit every day/evening - your collection will slowly grow...
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Post by vmc on May 10, 2019 20:27:35 GMT
Pick a fight with the Mrs. After the initial bombardment, she will give you the silent treatment and you can get on with painting your minis in peace. With a bit of luck you can keep this up for several days
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Post by Zaphod on May 11, 2019 15:47:35 GMT
Just do a little bit every day/evening - your collection will slowly grow... This does indeed seem to be the magic formula for success in any venture. You will cover a thousand miles eventually if you take a few steps a day, every day. Or as my mother used to say, "Save a penny a day, and in two days you'll be a millionaire." Slight exaggeration on her part, but despite earning a very low wage most of her life she's never been short of money. My problem is in two areas. 1) Starting a new unit. This usually requires a considerable amount of cogitation and physical effort, certainly more than the 'few steps a day' kind. Besides the uniformology stage, mostly this involves selecting the figures, purchasing the required amount, and then cleaning and preparing them for painting and basing. 2) Finishing the unit. I'm rarely satisfied with my unit, always want to add a few men to pad it out, or improve the shading on their jackets. So I keep putting off the final closure of a unit, which I define as adding static grass and tufts to the base, and spraying with varnish. With area (1) there are no short cuts: it's just work that needs to be done and is best done in one intense burst, say over a whole weekend. With area (2) I know I'll never be satisfied, so kid myself that I'll finish the painting at a later stage. Meanwhile, a unit that is based and flocked looks SIGNIFICANTLY better than one that isn't, so once the painting is acceptable I try to add the static grass. One day, I will get round to the varnishing...
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Post by Zaphod on May 11, 2019 16:37:43 GMT
On another tack (and closer to the OP's original question), I find that fighting a regular battle, at least once a month, usually solo since I live in the styx and have no regular opponents, is an excellent spur to my painting.
For example, I noticed in my last battle - a large affair using General d'Armee rules – that my skirmishers were woefully inadequate with many brigades having far too few properly based and painted skirmishers. I've already partly remedied the problem, and am adding more skirmisher figures to several battalions.
At the same time I found I had to combine figures from several units to make up decent sized battalions. I'm currently painting up new men for several battalions to bring them up to strength. Usually this is no more than four figures per battalion, so not too big a project for it to be frightening or disheartening. At the same time it provides an excellent excuse for refurbishing the rest of a battalion.
So regular battles, or if you're not a gamer, regular parades of your armies is one way of keeping up the enthusiasm.
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Post by bessiere on May 11, 2019 17:27:51 GMT
Also have trouble keeping motivated. I have two quite reasonably sized armies, basically opponents that I fight against each other. I considered them "finished" about 25 years ago, but they've aged quite badly and need extensive touch ups. They also need partial rebasing/magnetizing to suit newer rules systems like General D'Armee and Sharp Practice. The artillery is especially poor, with guns and draught teams requiring complete repainting. Also had to add a few units, for example of British 95th Rifles, to balance the sides. Despite over five months of work I've yet to get a single unit completed to my satisfaction. Have repaired the worst of the paintwork problems on infantry and cav, and have mostly replaced the bases on the infantry, but have barely started on the cav. Biggest problem is I keep getting distracted researching new units and all the wonderful new figures available. Waste a lot of time trying to find figures compatible with my old units, for padding them out. I find that rewatching old TV series on Netflix helps in the background. I generally know the stories quite well, so don't need to give full attention all the time. I get wanting perfection, nothing wrong with it but it does have it's pitfalls. Having worked in engraving and art in both custom and mass production I've learned to adapt. Start by taking the smallest job you have to get a unit finished and do that. If even that seems daunting break it down in smaller bits that you know won't wear you out. It's the feeling of accomplishment with having finished a task that gives impetus to move on to the next one. There is a break point to perfectionism where the end results are no longer improved by further work. Often it results in mucking about, redoing areas that lead to wanting to change others, etc etc. Back off from your figure and give it a good look at a foot or 2 distant, not close up. Any bits that don't bother you from that distance aren't worth working on further. I did the engraving under magnification so I have decades of experience with this, mostly wearing 2x optivisors but occasionally under a stereo microscope.
Positive feedback from others can be a good boost as well. Are you taking pictures of your work and do you post them? If not, go ahead. Even the criticisms given may be just the answer to what you found dissatisfying in the first place. We all need a pat on the back now and then, especially from our peers who understand everything it takes to get good results.
And yes, kick your own arse and set a schedule to start if you must.
As for background noise I prefer to listen to historical lectures so I can learn a little while I paint.
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Post by grumble on May 11, 2019 22:09:19 GMT
Nothing motivates me quite as well as having some upcoming games for which I need to provide the figures. Right now I have two WW1 games to run at Historicon, one in East Africa and the other in Mesopotamia. There are not yet enough figures ready and based for either game. So currently a primary motivator is fear and desperation. :-D
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Post by paintdog on May 11, 2019 23:03:25 GMT
Nothing motivates me quite as well as having some upcoming games for which I need to provide the figures. Right now I have two WW1 games to run at Historicon, one in East Africa and the other in Mesopotamia. There are not yet enough figures ready and based for either game. So currently a primary motivator is fear and desperation. :-D I know some people will put unpainted figures on a table. For me this is anathema.
If I need a unit(s) for a game, they will get painted.
Motivation enough, as Dear Grumble wrote.
donald
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