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Post by Forum Admin on Sept 28, 2018 18:37:17 GMT
Opinion: What do you like about 8147 Nassau Infantry? (pic by Sander) (pic by Arnal)
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Post by Alan Buckingham on Sept 28, 2018 22:13:28 GMT
I have always thought it was as close to perfect as a set could be, you can make a firing line, advancing, marching,square from the set. plus they are just nice figures to paint with good detail.
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Post by waynew on Sept 29, 2018 1:03:29 GMT
I have to concur with Alan - in addition, I love the style of sculpting and feel of the figures. One of your best (and you've made some doozies).
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 29, 2018 1:45:43 GMT
It is a box set that covers every aspect of the Nassau army in one box.
It has line infantry in Marching and Action poses, in enough numbers of each to make full units of either (24 models each)
Add to this, it comes with Grenadier in a good standard pose that works for most situations and doesn't look that off when next to the other models.
For my wargaming, I have my units set up in 6 companies on 40x40mm bases, 6 models to each base. So for me, that's 24 marching infantry on 4 bases, 6 of the action models on 1 base (for the Voltiguer company) and 6 Grenadiers for the Grenadier company.
As a set, the Nassau box is perfect for quickly building a regiment, as 2 boxes achieves this (obviously, diorama builders may go higher or lower on box count though).
The Wurttemberg box set is another very good example of how a box set should be done (in situations where you want to get as many different unit types into one box and have 100 models in that box). My only complaint with it is the number of specific poses in the box, and how odd some of them look, for example the Grenadier pointing his arm in a general direction, instead of just being either at attention or in another marching pose. The arm out stretched feels more like an officers pose and not a foot soldiers one. I also think the number of poses was a bit much (I don't believe that that many Grenadier poses were necessary, and you could have gotten away with 2 poses (marching and advancing/shooting) and boosting the numbers of those to 8 each. But that's long in the past now, and I am eagerly waiting to see them back on shelves (if it is the 1/72 sets that are being restocked?)
I believe that these sorts of multiple unit type box sets are great for the minor nations, but they have to be done right and the Nassau box set was done right.
I am talking about the Swedes here again, but they are a good example for this.
A new box for these guys, including all of their unit types can be done with these types of poses and in these numbers.
Line Infantry:
1 Officer pose (4 per box) 1 Drummer pose (4 per box) 2 Line Infantry Marching poses (24 per box) 2-4 Jagere poses (12 per box)*
Guards Infantry: 1 Officer pose (4 per box) 1 Drummer pose (4 per box) 2 Guard marching poses (12 per box) 2 Guard action poses (12 per box)**
Grenadier Infantry: Same as Guards Infantry numbers.
About 108 models per box and 18 poses, though the number of poses can be reduced a little by making the Officers and Drummers have replaceable heads. But that would do the Swedes for a very long time and there's be no reason to revisit them again at a later point to add more unit types as they'd be done in this box.
The same numbers can be used on other minor nations with limited unit options, like the Neapolitan, Bavarian and Confederation of the Rhine armies being prime examples
*Each battalion had 2 platoons of 58 men including officers, that were usually detached and combined into light infantry battalions. Though not large ones. The only visual distinction between these units and normal line infantry was the headgear, the rest of the uniform was identical to the rest of the infantry.
**The guards had their own Jagere platoons exactly like the Line Infantry, and these too were detached and combined with other lighter units, and as far as I can find, they wore green versions of the Guard uniforms, so no need for a different model type.
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Post by Graeme on Sept 29, 2018 2:03:20 GMT
Alan and Wayne nearly said it all; great sculpting, very good body proportions and a good number of figures for firing line, advancing and marching.
But also, there are flanquer figures that actually work perfectly with the firing, loading, advancing and marching figures. The grenadiers are covered by an earlier set or I'm sure you would have provided more poses of those as well. Nice command figures too, a really complete single set that could only be improved by being 3 seperate MAC sets. (actually I don't need MAC for the Nassauers the single set fits my needs).
But the thing I like absolutely the most about the Nassau Infantry set is the fact that they are Nassau Infantry! Who would ever have given us these excellent troops if you hadn't.
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Post by paintdog on Sept 29, 2018 3:52:41 GMT
I can't add anything to the above except to say it's arguably the best set HaT ever made.
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Post by stevo0113 on Sept 29, 2018 6:40:30 GMT
The above posters have said it all easy to paint, full army in a box unusual subject that nobody else covers its got it all it is also good value close to 100 soldiers for around £9.00 a bargain.
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Post by cpn on Sept 29, 2018 7:09:03 GMT
Good morning everyone, All great examples given above. But even smaller sets like Austrian infantry were good. Now imagine the French infantry set 8095 made like the Nassau one and you have had such a success.
Finally I am surprised no one mentioned the lack a key character in all these sets: the flag bearer. I like and use as much marching and action figures both for games and dioramas.
Have a great weekend. CPN
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Post by joe5790 on Sept 29, 2018 9:32:41 GMT
Finally I am surprised no one mentioned the lack a key character in all these sets: the flag bearer. With how flimsy the plastic can be, I think it is easier to remove the musket from a Marching, or Stand at Attention model and replace it with a brass rod. But they could always make a model with a hole through the hand so you can putt the rod through it, but since it is an easy conversion I don't think its a priority. Forum AdminIf you wanted to redo the minor nation boxes into the MAC format, but you don't want to have 100 models in those boxes, you could use a set of wargaming parameters that all of the boxes have to cover to make an historically accurate unit. If we take the Black Powder game as an example (and personally in your shoes I would take this ruleset to base the box sets under as it is a rather generic set of rules) it states that units have to have a 240mm frontage (this is up to the players to decide really, but this the example it gives for unit frontages as that's six 40x40mm bases for each unit). This frontage width can be applied to many other rule sets and if players want more or less models in their units they can do so. For a Marching pose French battalion, this look like this: 1) Between 16 - 24 Line Infantry, 4-6 models to a base (though 6 models seems to be the most common number as 4 models to a base looks too open). 2) Between 4 - 6 Grenadiers (again 6 models per base is the most common) 3) Between 4 -6 Voltiguers (again, 6 models per base is the most common) So an ideal French Line infantry box set would have 24 Line Infantry, 6 Grenadiers and 6 Voltiguers. Now I understand that the Voltiguers and Grenadiers more or less had the same uniforms, except for headgear, to the Line Infantry and by 1808 both of these units were changed to using the Shako just with different coloured trimming, so the box set could just have 36 models of Line Infantry and be done with it and it is up to the customer to paint them correctly. Though 36 extra heads can be added for 1805 Infantry, or the other way around, like you have with your newest French sets. The same logic applies to the action box set and the command box set does it's own thing. The best thing about this period is that you can apply these numbers to most minors that were France's satellite states and allies as they were forced to adopt the French organisation for their units. For these guys though, you may not want to make the three boxes for the MAC format, and I can understand that, so perhaps the bigger box is necessary. In this case, just have 36 models in marching poses (at least 2 poses per unit type), 36 models in action poses (as many as you like) and a few command poses so it is an all in one box set. That's 72 models plus whatever number of command poses you want to add. This does get tricker when you look at other nations that don't follow the French model (British having 10 companies per battalion for example) but it is still doable. For example, for the Prussians the Marching box you already have out does them perfectly as they to fit the Black Powder rule set and be accurate, they would have 4 companies per battalion. To represent this situation all you need is a 60x40mm base and put 8 models to a base. So in this case, all you need is 32 models and you have an historically accurate Prussian Musketeer / Fusilier Battalion for 1813. To make 1806 Pruusians you just need to replicate this box in those uniforms. The Austrians and Russian I believe follow the same organisation, but add Grenadiers companies. So for the box sets, switch out 8no. of Line Infantry and throw in 8no. of Grenadiers and job done. Full battalion, no mess or need to get several boxes to do that one battalion in the poses you want.
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Post by cpn on Sept 29, 2018 10:38:50 GMT
Hi, Good comment but in my only and humble opinion: 1/Not everyone is able to modify its figures. 2/ in a lot of armies officers or NCOs were in charge of the flag and so had to be represented with a different uniform. Otherwise we could have the same comments the for drummers after all 😁. My suggestion is there is always room for improvement and as far as this muskets period is concerned, flags were a critical features of regiments. Have a great weekend. CPN
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Post by endeavour on Sept 29, 2018 19:37:16 GMT
I love the Nassau set. If only there was a similar Brunswick set :0)
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Post by Brian on Sept 30, 2018 21:32:37 GMT
No.1 Nap Prussian Infantry MAC No.2 Nap Peninsular War British Infantry No.3 Nap Nassau Infantry One of my all time favourite Hat sets, out of production for a long time I recently saw a box of these sell on ebay for £68.99 plus postage. Could also be painted as Nap French Infantry if you remove lace knots on their thighs. Beautifully painted by both Sander and Arnal.
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Post by waynew on Oct 1, 2018 0:12:50 GMT
My final (maybe) word on the subject:
I Like HaT’s Nassau Infantry (with apologies to Dr. Suess)
I like HaT’s Nassau Infantry They look so very good to me They’re not too big, they’re not too small I really like them one and all.
They’re posed so neat, they look just right I like them morning, noon, or night Marching, shooting, grenadiers Among plastic guys they have no peers.
A great idea to knock your socks An entire little army in a box Yes, I think the Nassau guys are grand But I still don’t like green eggs and ham!
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Post by Pat on Oct 5, 2018 7:53:54 GMT
Could also be painted as Nap French Infantry if you remove lace knots on their thighs. Is that really all entailed to convert them to French`?
I could do that - and these figures are too great to be missed. Regards, Pat
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Post by Steve W on Oct 5, 2018 8:00:28 GMT
Pat, the Nassau elites (i.e. those wearing epaulettes) could pass as French elites wearing the surtout with the lace knot removed, but none of the figures are suitable for fusiliers, which had a different arrangement of their crossbelts. They could be converted into several varieties of troops from other small German states, though.
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Post by stevo0113 on Oct 5, 2018 14:20:47 GMT
I love the Nassau set. If only there was a similar Brunswick set :0) Wow that's a great idea we could do with more Brunswick troops especially if thy are done in the Nassau set formula.
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Post by igneous on Oct 6, 2018 1:54:46 GMT
very nice figures. they almost call to mind Revell in their "thiness". another nice feature is that they are produced in a pleasing green plastic. no painting needed if you want them ready to game with. same goes with the Peninsular British. the red plastic is helpful. those that paint will anyway. if you are planning to produce some figures for the Russians that opposed Napoleon, the same green plastic would suit them well. thanks for the question!
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Post by Pat on Oct 7, 2018 10:42:02 GMT
Steve W, many thanks for the reply. Napoleonics are not my main era of interest so these fine fellows are close enough for me.
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Post by traveller1865 on Oct 9, 2018 13:41:54 GMT
Nothing, not a fan of the set, planned to buy it but had a look at it at PSR, don't know what the fuzz is about, not the best sculpts in any way though you get an army which I suspect is appealing to some. The Peninsular British I get, they're fantastic, own that one.
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Post by minuteman on Oct 9, 2018 19:19:27 GMT
I think most of the plus points of tis set have already been covered, but for the record - since this is my favourite HaT set of all time (so far) - I'd summarise it in four simple reasons why:
- The set covers all the infantry types you need to model mid-late Napoleonic period Nassau troops (ie: for the Peninsular and the 100 days) - The poses are great. Every single one is useable - there are no 'dud poses' - The sculpting and mould are high quality - With a minimum of modification/conversion, this set is also suitable for Dutch troops and, with a little trimming with a sharp modelling knife, French infantry (it depends whether you are a purist or not...and whether you prefer to look at your painted troops with a magnifying glass or massed on the table top)
If every Napoleonic infantry set was produced as a big set of this scope and quality, I don't think we'd ever need to worry about MAC etc etc
Would be great to see HaT set 8095 re-sculpted to match the quality (and scale) of the Nassau set.
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