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Post by minuteman on Mar 7, 2019 11:10:41 GMT
The recent Plastic Soldier Review (PSR) review of the Ox Wagon set is, as almost always with PSR, well-considered, researched and well written.
The reviewer likes the wagon and the plastic it is made from. So do I. A 'well done' to HaT for the wagon. It's a good and versatile piece, and very useful.
The Oxen are fine as well. But, there are not enough of them. Not nearly enough in fact. To pull that wagon those two animals would have to be supercharged.
As the PSR reviewer points out, the wagon with two oxen is Ok for wargames as a marker. After all, a full train of a couple of dozen oxen arrayed on a single base would, on the tabletop, present quite an obstacle if placed side on to an advancing Zulu regiment. Those Zulus would be slowed down and disordered clambering over and under the animals, and would be therefore easier targets for the waiting Brits to pick off as they negotiated the obstacle. Think of the chaos the released cattle cause to one of the Zulu attacks in the film 'Zulu'...
However, what's the point of producing a set which otherwise is inadequate, because it doesn't have enough draught animals?
A suggestion then: Could HaT produce a Supplement set for the Ox Wagon? This set would include extra Oxen - say, about 8 or so), maybe a seated driver or two (and/or passengers), some useful cargo (bales/barrels/boxes), perhaps a few mules or baggage ponies (say about 8 of these as well) as well.
Such a set would be invaluable, not only for the colonial period but also for many others. It wouldn't have to be a large set, and would be priced accordingly.
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Post by Forum Admin on Mar 7, 2019 21:10:12 GMT
That is a good idea, thank you!
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Post by lateonparade on Mar 8, 2019 12:57:28 GMT
Supplemental oxen and baggage sounds most desirable; even better if pack-horses, packs and horse-handlers included.
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Boom boom out go the lights
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Post by Boom boom out go the lights on Mar 8, 2019 19:56:06 GMT
More oxen would be very welcome. Personally, I would much prefer a small set with just the animals and their yokes (many manufacturers do baggage/ loads of some sort). They would make a versatile alternative to draught horses, and thus attract those who like me don't do the Zulu wars.
Pack horses would be great as well, obviously with packs.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Mar 9, 2019 2:38:30 GMT
additional oxen with cargo for the wagons that can be stacked in different ways would be nice.
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Post by 1stsgt37thga on Mar 12, 2019 0:08:11 GMT
Why not include some baggage camels and donkeys or mules with your beasts of burden set. Todd
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Post by Graeme on Mar 14, 2019 11:22:52 GMT
A set of extra oxen and perhaps other draft animals and drivers would be a good idea. If the animals looked generic enough I'm sure people would find uses for them in all sorts of periods.
People often ask for this sort of thing.
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Post by stevo0113 on Mar 15, 2019 16:04:22 GMT
Why not include some baggage camels and donkeys or mules with your beasts of burden set. Todd What a good idea a beasts of burden set it should be quite easy for Hat to produce this maybe from other sets ,some of the artillery sets had a few pack horses included & also maybe make a drivers set with different heads for a bit of variety.
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 20, 2019 16:37:56 GMT
A SUPPLEMENT SET: A Supplement Set for the Ox Wagon (and any animal drawn wagons and cannons)? 1) 8 extra Oxen with Yokes for attaching to the wagons (for example yokes like the IMEX Oxen's Yokes) for one authentic Cape Wagon / Ox Wagon) 2) An extra seated driver and the other sitting man (already made with British General Service Wagon - same guys already sculpted - Nice!) 3) 6 British 24th Infantry Soldiers in full uniform helping push, pull, lift the wagons through mud just like in the great COLOR PHOTO in your Forum herein posted April 1, 2018 under the 1/72 Wagons Prototypes Thread < hat.freeforums.net/thread/293/1-72-colonial-wagons-prototypes >. 4) Cargo (a one-piece accessory that could be cut to fit various wagons just like IMEX made in it's "IMEX Set 514 Munitions Wagon and Ambulance Wagon") < plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=477 >. There are already enough little fiddly pieces already made such as Airfix Wagon Train and other makers that are largely useless unless glued into wagons. The IMEX accessory is very easy to cut to size and shape to fit any wagon. 5) 4 Mules to assist Oxen and also use with General Service Wagons. 6) Made in the same nice Dark Brown soft plastic already being used to match perfectly. NOTE: If you made this set, I'd buy another 12 sets or more just for the 6 Soldiers helping move the wagons through the mud. I just LOVE THAT COLOR PHOTO you posted. These poses would be new to the hobby and really add authenticity to these wagons and all the hardships both BRITISH and BOERS experienced. Please THINK about it!
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Post by GarrisonClay on Mar 20, 2019 16:42:28 GMT
P.S. NOTE: For a good clear picture of the IMEX Cargo Accessory Piece, please click on the "sprew thumbnail" under the PSR 2 photos and the sprew photo will pop up / open up and you can see it's nice, square shape so it can be cut to fit any wagon, stagecoach, or just as an accessory in a fort.
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Post by Anita on Mar 27, 2019 21:08:52 GMT
I’ve been waiting for extra mules,donkeys and oxen for years with yolks ,limbers and baggage. Some draft horses as well. Hope one of the manufactures makes this set
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Post by waynew on Mar 28, 2019 2:48:50 GMT
I think the idea of having a wagon set with just two oxen better than having no wagon set at all. Having said that, I add my hearty approval and support for a supplemental set of oxen, horses, mules and baggage as the uses for such a set would go far beyond just this one wagon set. Great idea!
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Post by richard on Mar 30, 2019 9:56:09 GMT
This could be an easy win for Hat. Universal set that has oxen, mules, packhorses that are kept as general/time unspecific as possible.
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Post by devonian on Apr 5, 2019 9:00:34 GMT
I think HäT should consider several baggage or beasts of burden sets. Firstly perhaps we could see some movement on the long awaited Baggage Camels set ! This could be joined by a set of mules and donkeys with various types of pack and by a set of oxen for pulling wagons or guns. These sets could be used for a wide ranges of periods and scenarios from Ancient to 20th century.
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