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Post by Thomas Krug on Apr 29, 2019 13:11:45 GMT
Chin straps are made of leather for rank and file and scale gilt for officers. So I don't know what this "straps" going from the side to the back of the helmet should be. The backpacks and cartridge pouches are much too low, hopefully there is no peg on the back of the figures for adjusting this.The musket sling was normally straight on the musket, a hand should not pass between the musket and sling (advancing figure, left).The small belt for connecting the belts of the backpack should be under the crossbelts, not over.
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Post by Stan on Apr 29, 2019 20:26:43 GMT
This looks really good HaT! I like the moustache on the Grenadier..! In 1/32 it is much better if it is on the figure like with your Voltigeurs and Carabiniers :-) Thank you! Stan Drummer I mustache if this will be noticeable in 1/72.
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Post by Stan on Apr 29, 2019 20:30:25 GMT
Yes the cartridge boxes really are way too low. And maybe also to big or out of proportion? I think that is causing the problem..If you compare the cartridge box to the backpack, the cartridge box on the figures is almost 2/3 of the backpack. Which in reality is not the case. One more thing I think the cartridge box/bag is hanging too low it could be the knapsack needs to go up slightly and the cartridge box/bag needs to be closer to the knapsack just below the height of the water bottle would be spot on.
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Post by Stan on Apr 29, 2019 20:40:15 GMT
This looks great! Since I have (but that is personal) already some hundreds of Italeri figures with Helmets and Bearskins from both sets I really like to see these Hungarians with shako's. Nevertheless, I will buy tons of all what you will bring out. I can image the follow thing which maybe is obvious and already considered; German Fusiliers with helmets, Hungarians with Shako's and Grenadiers with bearskins. When desired, one could buy both and swop heads to achieve Germans with shako's or for example Hungarians with helmets :-) Keep up this great work! Stan We are gaitering information and planning the sets as we speak. Currently it looks like the marching and action sets will have the following proportions of fusiliers to grenadiers:
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Post by Ludwig on Apr 29, 2019 22:09:42 GMT
Looks amazing! Will they be released in 1/32 as well?
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Post by waynew on Apr 30, 2019 2:27:41 GMT
I think the explanation for the low cartridge boxes is quite simple to anyone who has ever marched long distances in full gear with seventy-plus pounds of field pack and ammunition. They are dragging their behinds from fatigue and the gear is showing it... ;-)
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Post by Forum Admin on Apr 30, 2019 6:17:42 GMT
Looks amazing! Will they be released in 1/32 as well? Will be considered if there is enough interest.
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Post by rbhjr on Apr 30, 2019 7:33:06 GMT
Looks amazing! Will they be released in 1/32 as well? Will be considered if there is enough interest. There is LOTS of interest from me! I Would be very happy to contribute at least a few hundred $ toward crowd funding for the 1/32 scale Austrians and/or prepay to pre-order at least 10 sets (and buy more once in production). If the figures are of the same excellent quality as your French light infantry, Bavarian’s or Wurttembergers, I will by many more!
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Post by mateus on Apr 30, 2019 12:50:59 GMT
Yes the cartridge boxes really are way too low. And maybe also to big or out of proportion? I think that is causing the problem..If you compare the cartridge box to the backpack, the cartridge box on the figures is almost 2/3 of the backpack. Which in reality is not the case. Actually, it's not the cartridge box that is too low, it's the backpack itself - to which the cartridge box is attached, and is separated from by a correct strap length. The drawing portrays the actual height the backpack should be, and the digital scan (like those of the other sculpts) show that the backpack is placed very low on the models' backs: It's a simple matter of Hat adjusting the position of the attaching peg on the models' back (assuming there is one). I don't see a problem with the size of the cartridge boxes.
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Post by bongman on Apr 30, 2019 18:10:34 GMT
Would it be fair to say that backpacks are not fixed to a man's back in reality would work it's way down during the day in real life? Perhaps the most accurate depiction would be random placings of the backpack on the figures.
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Post by bongman on Apr 30, 2019 18:37:51 GMT
The small belt for connecting the belts of the backpack should be under the crossbelts, not over. It seems there are pictures showing both over and under.
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Post by eliott on Apr 30, 2019 20:13:16 GMT
I wish it out at 1/32 even pre-order I need at least 30 boxes.
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Post by Stan on Apr 30, 2019 22:51:39 GMT
From many of us! There is a whole tread about these austrians in 1/32 :-) Will be considered if there is enough interest. There is LOTS of interest from me! I Would be very happy to contribute at least a few hundred $ toward crowd funding for the 1/32 scale Austrians and/or prepay to pre-order at least 10 sets (and buy more once in production). If the figures are of the same excellent quality as your French light infantry, Bavarian’s or Wurttembergers, I will by many more!
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Post by Stan on Apr 30, 2019 22:54:51 GMT
I guess your are right Mateus, Its just the placing that makes it look off, the size is good...I take that back ;-) Yes the cartridge boxes really are way too low. And maybe also to big or out of proportion? I think that is causing the problem..If you compare the cartridge box to the backpack, the cartridge box on the figures is almost 2/3 of the backpack. Which in reality is not the case. Actually, it's not the cartridge box that is too low, it's the backpack itself - to which the cartridge box is attached, and is separated from by a correct strap length. The drawing portrays the actual height the backpack should be, and the digital scan (like those of the other sculpts) show that the backpack is placed very low on the models' backs: It's a simple matter of Hat adjusting the position of the attaching peg on the models' back (assuming there is one). I don't see a problem with the size of the cartridge boxes.
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Post by rahway on May 1, 2019 0:37:19 GMT
The backpacks are not separate pieces and there are no pegs. If the backpack is too high there could be a problem making the mold close between the roll and the shoulders or neck. An ugly piece of fill plastic would probably be needed in the gap. if the excess straps on top of the roll were flattened the pack might be able to go a little higher.
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Post by Graeme on May 1, 2019 2:41:04 GMT
If the backpack is too high there could be a problem making the mold close between the roll and the shoulders or neck. An ugly piece of fill plastic would probably be needed in the gap. That takes us back to the poll on should backpacks be seperate or moulded on. Seperate packs might havce more detail without undercutting problems, moulded packs may be seen as being more convenient and use less space on the sprue but might have undercutting problems. People made their choice on that score, but I think maybe the top of the pack could be level with the shoulders without too many problems. One important thing to note: In reality the cartridge box was not connected to the backpack by a strap. It was worn on a cross belt and the pack was put on over the cross belt. Attaching the visible part of the crossbelt to the pack was just a clever way of moulding the pack and cartridge box in one piece when the packs were seperate. Which means that, with moulded on packs, the cartridge box can be placed in the correct position and will not move regardless of whether the pack is placed high, low, sideways or upside down. No problem, raise the cartridge box a bit, then either raise the pack, or leave it where it is, whatever works best.
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Post by mateus on May 2, 2019 12:19:11 GMT
Now that the backpack is to be attached to the body, the ammo pouch position can be adjusted so that the least amount of undercutting occurs. Thanks for the comment, a note will be dispatched to the toolers. Yes, it seems' they opted to go with attached backpacks. In that case, all models should have this equipment repositioned higher on the models' back. And there is no opportunity to include a few backpacks with swords in the set, to go with the grenadier heads. Not the best option, in my opinion, there is likely to be a lot of undercut, also, specially on those models that have short swords like that above, but I understand Hat is following the call of the majority of voters here - though I don't understand why did most people vote for that option. It's a little less work to assemble models, with a lot less quality and options. For instance, look at the model below and try to figure how's that sword going to be molded together with the back of the man's leg and consider if that's going to look good at all: It's great that Hat listens to costumers, but the preferences they express are not always the wisest, sometimes from a technical point of view where Hat knows better.
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Post by de Saxe on May 2, 2019 15:24:04 GMT
Bring on the Nap Austrians!
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Post by waynew on May 3, 2019 1:05:17 GMT
The small belt for connecting the belts of the backpack should be under the crossbelts, not over. It seems there are pictures showing both over and under.
Very astute observation IMHO; my previous quip about March weary troops "dragging a-er behind " was made with my tongue partially in cheek from the perspective of one who has "humped a ruck" (marched with heavy packs) and other gear for long hours over many miles. At the end of a March like that and even in the middle of one any resemblance to parade ground appearances is lost.The packs and belts on these guys make them look more realistic to me - like vets instead virgin recruits. JMO.
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Post by Roscoe Remington on May 3, 2019 6:21:26 GMT
A soldier would be removing his canteen more often than anything else, therefore its belt would more likely be on top. Next, the backpack would be taken off more frequently than the cartridge box and bayonet scabbard, therefore its belts would probably be above those. Soldiers on campaign would have done what was most practical and comfortable. Still, it would not have been to difficult to unfasten the vertical backpack straps from the horizontal one while leaving that one in place beneath the other belts. Either position would be credible, but on top seems the most likely.
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Post by mikem on May 3, 2019 9:44:00 GMT
The breast strap connecting the knapsack shoulder straps was often worn under the shoulder-belts to prevent these from being pressed into the breastbone, which can be very uncomfortable on a long march. Its purpose was to stop the straps sliding down over the shoulder, and it could be tightened or loosened to adjust pressure on the shoulders. The most comfortable and least fatigueing position to wear the knapsack is as high as possible on the back, but the possible position may vary according to weight,and they tend to slip down during the march.
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Post by de Saxe on May 9, 2019 3:16:52 GMT
can't wait for the Nap Austrians to be released........
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Post by Only 1/32 on May 19, 2019 15:06:31 GMT
When are you planning to release this in 1/32 scale? I'm waiting for SYW Austrians so long so we should expect Napoleonic Austrians in next five years?
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Post by astarr78 on May 21, 2019 2:50:58 GMT
Love to see them in 1/32. Look at what the original 1/32 Italeri Austrains go for on ebay,,,,somebody is buying them.
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Post by Forum Admin on May 21, 2019 5:14:44 GMT
We are looking at releasing these 1/32 Nap. Austrians right on the heels of the 7YW Austrians.
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