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Post by Forum Admin on May 13, 2019 21:38:57 GMT
Gathering information for Dutch Carabinier. Please let us know what you would like to see in this set:
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Post by General Reeve on May 13, 2019 22:29:14 GMT
Yes please Hat. I would love to have these charging, with officer and trumpeter.
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Post by endeavour on May 14, 2019 6:48:17 GMT
Delighted to see these and their Belgian brothers on the drawing board. I really don't think Hat will produce two sets when the only real difference at this scale is the headdress. But as long as at least one version makes it to the production line I'll be happy and my conversion tools are already gearing up.
As with my post on the Belgian thread, I like separate arms for one figure, head swap options and the blanket roll as part of the figure, unless it's proven that the two nationalities wore them over opposite shoulders. I imagine Hat will get many suggestions/demands on this subject.
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Post by Graeme on May 14, 2019 12:12:02 GMT
Ideally we would have:
Belgian Carrabiniers in double breasted jackets with helmets. Dutch Carrabiniers in double breasted jackets with bicorns, for the pre 1815 uniform; and, Dutch Carrabiniers in single breasted jackets with helmets, for the 1815 uniform.
I believe the 1815 regulations changed the uniform of the Dutch Carrabiniers but it's likely that not all of the men in both regiments had been issued the new uniform by the time of Waterloo, so both uniforms may have been present; I thought of doing one regiment in each.
I don't expect HaT to make three different sets, I suppose the original idea was to make a set of Dutch in bicorns and a set of Belgians in helmets, both in the old double breasted jacket. that would be fine by me, I'd be happy to get Dutch/Belgian Carrabiniers that look like Dutch/Belgian Carrabiniers and I won't foam at the mouth over Dutchmen in the hundred days, perhaps, wearing a uniform that's a couple of months too old. Also, I don't mind doing head swaps and conversions.
Another option might be a set of Dutch in double breasted coat and bicorns with helmeted head swaps for Belgians; and another set of Dutch in single breasted coat and helmets. But this would not be helpful to the folks who don't want to convert figures.
Another option is a single set with interchangeable heads in bicorns and helmets, but, again not much help to the non converters.
As for poses, I want cavalry that look like they're attacking the enemy. Espescially heavy cavalry, because that was their job. I realise a lot of folks want Geriatrics who need to rest their sabres on their shoulder, and I'm prepared to use such figures to fill the rear rank where they can't be seen; but I don't want a whole box of them.
I like galloping horses too, but briskly moving ones will be fine. Again, I know a lot of folks want standing horses, but I think they look like they're auditioning for dog food.
Spare arms for trumpets, guidons, carbines, alternative sabre poses, etc would be handy. (Spare legs would be footy, but that's a different story).
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Post by endeavour on May 14, 2019 16:25:58 GMT
Delighted to see these and their Belgian brothers on the drawing board. I really don't think Hat will produce two sets when the only real difference at this scale is the headdress. But as long as at least one version makes it to the production line I'll be happy and my conversion tools are already gearing up. As with my post on the Belgian thread, I like separate arms for one figure, head swap options and the blanket roll as part of the figure, unless it's proven that the two nationalities wore them over opposite shoulders. I imagine Hat will get many suggestions/demands on this subject. I've dug around in the attic and found an old uniform guide of Netherlands troops at Waterloo issued in the 90's from the "Koninklijk Nederlands Leger- en Wapenmuseum" and uploaded it here. Don't know if I've broken Copyright (
Anyway it's what I've based my Netherlands troops on ever since. Although there are lots of other sources out there I figured at the time that the Netherlands folk might know what they were talking about. I could be wrong (so could they). It does show the Dutch Carabineers in Bicorn and double breasted tunic and the Belgian Carabineers with the greatcoat over the left shoulder, even though the centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/ website (my other go-to source) shows them on the right.
Anyone got a time machine??
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Post by Marco Zappa on May 15, 2019 3:27:58 GMT
Yes please Hat. I would love to have these charging, with officer and trumpeter. For me too.
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Post by Brian on May 16, 2019 21:02:12 GMT
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Post by Graeme on May 18, 2019 3:47:56 GMT
I saw the previous comments about French Dragoon heads and the significance didn't really register.
These figures could give us French Dragoons in Bardin uniform! And they probably won't cost $40 for a set of 12!
You just sold me a few extra boxes.
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Post by capdeferro on May 22, 2019 19:57:01 GMT
Yes!!. It is the main gap in the waterloo campaing plastic armies. And is not easy to costumize from other kits. One box for dutch, other for belgian carabiniers and other for1815 french dragons, or at least one box with interchaneables heads
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Post by Boney95 on May 24, 2019 8:04:51 GMT
Using a different horse could the Belgium’s be used as 1st French Chasseurs during Waterloo campaign too?
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Post by endeavour on May 24, 2019 17:40:03 GMT
Using a different horse could the Belgium’s be used as 1st French Chasseurs during Waterloo campaign too? I used Hat French Lancer figures with swords from the French chasseurs. Not perfect but an easily achieved compromise
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Post by endeavour on May 24, 2019 22:15:54 GMT
Using a different horse could the Belgium’s be used as 1st French Chasseurs during Waterloo campaign too? I used Hat French Lancer figures with swords from the French chasseurs. Not perfect but an easily achieved compromise I know this is straying off topic but I found the result quite pleasing
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Post by Boney95 on May 24, 2019 22:31:16 GMT
Good idea I hadn’t thought of. Thx
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Post by Thomas on May 25, 2019 14:36:42 GMT
It would be amazing if we could have both sets, even more so if helmets for French Dragoons are added. The potential is astronomical. Hat, how about it...…….. you could definitively have a winner there.
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Post by mort1815 on May 28, 2019 19:13:23 GMT
Yes please, with options for trumpet, sabres, carbines, optional blanket roll and as with everyone else different head options would be useful. Charging horses preferred either way.
I would love to see a larger box with more troopers and a smaller command/trumpeter element with the option to go either Dutch or Belgian
overall great idea to fill a gap in the market
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Post by Brian on Jun 3, 2019 0:16:40 GMT
Hi Hat Team, We have had some really great ideas to expand the usefulness of Dutch and Belgian Carabiniers and the possibility of French (late War) Dragoons which potentially will be a big seller but with these extra heads, sword and muskets arms, blanket rolls etc, I just wonder how much space is available on the sprue. The last Hat cavalry sprues have had limited space (as can be seen below), if Hat are using this size sprue then I think we need seperate boxes of Dutch Carabiniers, Belgian Carabiniers and French (late War) Dragoons the scanned master images could be altered to produce the correct head wear and other more subtle differences for each box of figures, if Hat are using a larger sprue then more options could be included.
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Post by Jordan on Jun 4, 2019 2:00:25 GMT
Actually I would just love to see spare heads of Dutch Carabiniers in a set of Belgium Carabiniers. My explanation for this will be in the Belgium Carabiniers post.
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Post by Rob Bletz on Jul 18, 2019 6:02:08 GMT
Yes i would like to see them out.
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Post by Marc the plastics fan on Jul 19, 2019 13:01:08 GMT
Crikey, if you make a guy in single breasted with head swap, then we are looking at the French 11th cuirassier, who I think did not actually ear cuirasses at Waterloo. Now that would be an interesting addition.
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