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Post by Forum Admin on Jul 13, 2019 2:43:40 GMT
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Post by Thomas on Jul 13, 2019 7:51:58 GMT
No
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Post by lateonparade on Jul 13, 2019 11:07:47 GMT
No.
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Post by stevo0113 on Jul 13, 2019 11:17:17 GMT
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Post by waynew on Jul 13, 2019 15:00:07 GMT
Yes. When you realize - after reading the explanation for the umpteenth time - that the "standing at attention" figure represents a practical choice between having another figure that fits on to a sprue or a blank space where another "action" pose won't fit I'll go with another figure EVERY time. Couple that with the idea that soldiers in the Napoleonic era (and just about every war prior to the 20th Century) spent a great deal of time standing in formation waiting to "go in" I think makes the pose a no-brainer.
Bottom line - I'll repeat: if I have a choice between another figure or two and blank spaces I think I'll go for the figure.
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Post by cpn on Jul 13, 2019 15:08:53 GMT
No, thank you
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Post by Zaphod on Jul 13, 2019 15:55:47 GMT
Much prefer a marching figure. Surely it doesn’t take up much more space on the sprue than an attention pose.
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Post by rahway on Jul 13, 2019 22:26:43 GMT
Get rid of the loading figure. He is only useful for conversions and head swaps.
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Post by endeavour on Jul 13, 2019 22:29:22 GMT
Yes. When you realize - after reading the explanation for the umpteenth time - that the "standing at attention" figure represents a practical choice between having another figure that fits on to a sprue or a blank space where another "action" pose won't fit I'll go with another figure EVERY time. Couple that with the idea that soldiers in the Napoleonic era (and just about every war prior to the 20th Century) spent a great deal of time standing in formation waiting to "go in" I think makes the pose a no-brainer. Bottom line - I'll repeat: if I have a choice between another figure or two and blank spaces I think I'll go for the figure. Bottom, bottom line: if there is a space on the marching sprue, give me another marching figure. If there is a space on the action sprue, give me another action figure, if there is a space on the command sprue give me another command figure. Personally, uniquely, only me, I don't want any standing to attention figures. I dont see see an explanation, so I can't read it for the umpteenth time
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Post by waynew on Jul 14, 2019 2:37:18 GMT
Yes. When you realize - after reading the explanation for the umpteenth time - that the "standing at attention" figure represents a practical choice between having another figure that fits on to a sprue or a blank space where another "action" pose won't fit I'll go with another figure EVERY time. Couple that with the idea that soldiers in the Napoleonic era (and just about every war prior to the 20th Century) spent a great deal of time standing in formation waiting to "go in" I think makes the pose a no-brainer. Bottom line - I'll repeat: if I have a choice between another figure or two and blank spaces I think I'll go for the figure. Bottom, bottom line: if there is a space on the marching sprue, give me another marching figure. If there is a space on the action sprue, give me another action figure, if there is a space on the command sprue give me another command figure. Personally, uniquely, only me, I don't want any standing to attention figures. I dont see see an explanation, so I can't read it for the umpteenth time The subject of the choice has been brought up before on other threads; I repeated it. Hence the "umpteenth." Basically, as I understood it when the topic was brought up previously it was Choice A: The attention figure that fit the sprue Choice B: Blank space. Your bottom bottom line makes perfect sense except from what I gather from reading comments from HaT - it's not practical. So bottom bottom BOTTOM line is - you all would prefer a blank space to the standing figure? If another pose would fit I truly believe HaT would put it on there. That's the only point I was trying to make.
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Post by Marco Zappa on Jul 14, 2019 9:55:30 GMT
No...thanks.
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Post by Brian on Jul 14, 2019 11:53:03 GMT
Yes definitely it's one of the basic regular poses of the era it's not one of the most exciting poses or my favourite but used on mass in the ranks it can look very effective, I think people voting No may be swayed by not wanting it with their action poses but that's a separate issue.
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Post by Graeme on Jul 14, 2019 12:35:03 GMT
The explanation Wayne refers to is in the "First Look at Napoleonic Austrians" thread. Bottom of page here: hat.freeforums.net/thread/510/first-napoleonic-austrians?page=3HaT says: "the standing at attention figure is included in Set 2 for mold space considerations, i.e. fill up dead space which is not enough for another action figure but just enough for a slim figure". And Wayne is right, having another figure is definately preferable to blank space. ( I could use the same argument in the debate on command figs at another place ). I'm not fond of the standing at attention figure but other people want it and the set in question has good numbers of firing, loading, and advancing figures. The addition of the sedentary pose doesn't seem to have taken anything away from the set. (when it was suggested that two standing figures would be included on the sprue at the expense of one loading figure that was a different matter, I definately need equal numbers of loading and firing). If folks want a standing figure why not? No-one will force me to use it if I don't want to and I might find a use for them.
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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Jul 14, 2019 12:41:11 GMT
Hi Hat,
I would really want this pose in any of the two sets, they look great as a unit on their own or then can be used as a rear rank pose in a firing line. They also have their uses in small vignettes as a guard with a commander or in a camp setting.
thanks for asking
Allan
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Post by tonymather on Jul 14, 2019 12:53:36 GMT
No thanks. I never use them - left on the sprue. Sometimes I take the heads for conversions
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Post by General Reeve on Jul 14, 2019 20:14:02 GMT
Yes please
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Post by Boney95 on Jul 14, 2019 22:06:34 GMT
Hi. I say yea. I do re enactment occasionally as a French infantryman and when firing you return to attention when fully loaded, thus showing the NCO you are loaded and ready to fire again. When everyone is loaded you are all at attention briefly before volleying again. Dunno if other armies were the same. Also a figure is better than no figure by 100%
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Post by harlow on Jul 14, 2019 22:20:14 GMT
No, I don´t need this pose...
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 15, 2019 7:21:21 GMT
Although maybe not an "Action Figure" the "At Attention" is good for painting all the facing colours since the weapons are not in the way. I would prefer it to be in the "Marching" set but as the question was to have the pose or nothing, then I would definitely vote Yes for this pose.
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Post by Zaphod on Jul 15, 2019 16:00:22 GMT
Get rid of the loading figure. He is only useful for conversions and head swaps. Also not a great fan of the loading pose. It looks pretty daft in a wargames formation. Nothing worse imho than a whole regiment formed of loading figures, or even an entire rear rank. Can be useful though for skirmishers, intermixed with firing figures. So, a few per box is ok, but they should be greatly outnumbered by marching/advancing figures.
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Post by Stan on Jul 16, 2019 9:19:25 GMT
Hi. I say yea. I do re enactment occasionally as a French infantryman and when firing you return to attention when fully loaded, thus showing the NCO you are loaded and ready to fire again. When everyone is loaded you are all at attention briefly before volleying again. Dunno if other armies were the same. Also a figure is better than no figure by 100% As fellow Napoleonic re enactor I am inclined to agree! But for me in 1/32 it depends very much on the set. With the 1/32 French Elites in Greatcoats I like the standing at attention very much but in the Voltigeur set I think it is a misfit. The reloading figure is also nice depending on the set and type of unit! With the HaT French Carabiniers or the Wurtemberg Grenadiers or the Russian musketeers it is really nice also with the Voltigeurs, because all figures reloading pose fits the type of infantry man and how they would reload in skirmish or in close order- in line formation. Not sure if this helps
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Post by Zaphod on Jul 16, 2019 10:26:49 GMT
Stan, Not sure I understand. Are you saying the loading ‘posture’ used by infantry is different when skirmishing and when in a formal line formation?
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Post by Stan on Jul 16, 2019 12:04:41 GMT
Stan , Not sure I understand. Are you saying the loading ‘posture’ used by infantry is different when skirmishing and when in a formal line formation? Not necessarily but that could be the case. When in line, the musket according to French regulations at least should be on the left side of the left foot of the soldier, '' l'arme, a gauche'' is the order, the the soldier starts taking out his ramrod and so on. For skirmishers it can be in whatever way suits for the soldier. But ofcourse also the momentum is different, for example the reloading figure in the chasseur set or voltigeur are using their ramrod, but the figure can also be biting of his cartridge or pouring his cartridge in the barrel...All are actions that are part of the ''reloading pose'' at least that is what I would say..
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Post by Chris D on Jul 16, 2019 12:50:27 GMT
I personally think that the standing at attention figure is of limited use other than spare bits.
Forget that action implies movement, this position is more relevant to guard duties or inspections.
To my mind the bigger issue is when are these figures along with the ACW offerings going to hit the shops?
There are other producers flooding the market with high quality offerings that are effectively taking Hats potential future market away before production has even commenced.
Hat have transformed the model soldier arena but market forces stop for no one.
Best wishes,
Chris
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Post by cpn on Jul 17, 2019 19:13:24 GMT
Good evening, Since the discussion seemed to grow bigger on the standing, the loading,etc... it seems we are going towards very boring little soldiers era. Most of us are in this hobby thanks to Airfix full of action boxes and Esci as well. The fact that soldiers spent more time waiting than acting is not a good business model; try to sell armies only standing or waiting and my bet is the hobby disappears in a year. Human are spending 8 hours of their daily life sleeping so if I produce a box of civilian 30% should be in sleeping position! Same if you make a 1/72 scale representation of football player, if you want to sell how do you represent them since they barely play football 2hours a day. We can possibly have a couple of standing figures in a box, ok. Now getting rid of the loading figures will start getting me nervous as we speak of musket era so at some point muskets must be loaded or reloaded. if I don't want loading figures I wil move to another period like Ancient. To me and only to me a box should represent the fundamentals ( firing, loading, advancing, marching) and great examples are Nap French Carabiniers or Nap British Peninsular infantry BUT as Chris Dobson said in a timely manner meaning now and not in ten years.
It was only my couple of euros to the debate. I fully accept to be wrong. Cheers CPN
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