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Post by rapira3 on Aug 23, 2019 9:41:22 GMT
Both heads off because then you don't have to cut off head if want to change to another.
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Post by rahway on Aug 25, 2019 2:51:42 GMT
There are four marching poses; five action poses; five command poses.
None of the sets have six unique poses. What would be lost is the duplicate.
The most prolific 1/32 manufacturer is Expeditionary Force and they produce separate heads and bodies.
How about a larger, eight-figure mold with more space, two sprues to a box?
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Post by quarion on Aug 25, 2019 11:33:16 GMT
There are four marching poses; five action poses; five command poses. None of the sets have six unique poses. What would be lost is the duplicate. The most prolific 1/32 manufacturer is Expeditionary Force and they produce separate heads and bodies. How about a larger, eight-figure mold with more space, two sprues to a box? I didn't noticed that. Just thinking about older sets from HaT with six poses per box and three same sprues. I think we can sacrifice duplicates.
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Post by Brian on Aug 25, 2019 22:58:12 GMT
I have finally decided to vote for one head on.
The reasons being some people will not want to make a hole in the figure for the peg head to fit into and expect their figures to be complete, I know this is for most of us a simple task however for the amount of extra time it would save removing a head and with the loss a figure or two from the sprue for another set of heads I therefore think it would be better to have one head on.
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Post by rahway on Aug 26, 2019 2:24:42 GMT
The usual custom in the 1/32 world, metal or plastic, is for the manufacturer to drill a hole in the neck. Or put a peg on the neck and drill a hole in the head. Victoria put a depression in the neck but they use hard plastic.
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Post by rbhjr on Aug 26, 2019 7:59:11 GMT
There are four marching poses; five action poses; five command poses. None of the sets have six unique poses. What would be lost is the duplicate. The most prolific 1/32 manufacturer is Expeditionary Force and they produce separate heads and bodies. How about a larger, eight-figure mold with more space, two sprues to a box? Recent Hat 1/32 scale sets typically have 6 poses each (although it is unclear if the proposed Napoleonic Austrians will follow this, or the 1/72 scale version). Expeditionary Force also charges on average over $4 a figure. No thanks!
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Post by quarion on Aug 26, 2019 10:17:21 GMT
Expeditionary Force figures are very expensive. For only nine infantry figures you have to pay 32.50$. It costs you 65$ if you want amount of soldiers like in HaT boxes. I like variety of poses so six per box is better for me than five and in that case I don't like idea of swap one on them for heads.
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Post by Patsheuck on Aug 28, 2019 21:02:55 GMT
Both heads off because then you don't have to cut off head if want to change to another. Number 2 Please. Patrice
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Post by greentiger on Sept 2, 2019 12:43:54 GMT
I think this set will be less appealing to the general market if there is anything to stick on. Include extra heads by all means but please don't make it so you HAVE to do some work to get any kind of figure.
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Post by quarion on Sept 4, 2019 10:07:54 GMT
I think this set will be less appealing to the general market if there is anything to stick on. Include extra heads by all means but please don't make it so you HAVE to do some work to get any kind of figure. That's true. It'll be better for some enthusiast like me to have both heads off but in general it could be worse decision from manufacturer point of view as it probably won't increase sales.
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Post by rbhjr on Sept 4, 2019 13:41:28 GMT
I think this set will be less appealing to the general market if there is anything to stick on. Include extra heads by all means but please don't make it so you HAVE to do some work to get any kind of figure. That's true. It'll be better for some enthusiast like me to have both heads off but in general it could be worse decision from manufacturer point of view as it probably won't increase sales. That is a fair point. I think that if the figures are made with no heads, then they have to be done so that it is very easy to attach the head securely, and the figure with head on looks good and natural (not like a long-necked bobble-head). Otherwise it would be better to make them with one head already attached (except for the command set, which needs the flexibility to cover multiple unit types). Cheers
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Post by Dr. George on Sept 29, 2019 12:49:57 GMT
Having gamed in 15, 25 and 54mm for four decades, my preference is for heads off. This due to the face that the different heads allow for more variety than committing to one cast on - this provided there is a peg-hole to facilitate easy, secure attachment!
Most 54mm gamers that do not post here would prefer the variety and the ability to choose rather than have to convert! Convenience and variety trumps conversion any day!
Just think, with the early helmet and the later shako you can depict Austerlitz one day and Leipzig the next with the ~same~ figures! It saves space and expenditure! Good idea and kudos HaT! (Now, give us French Chasseur`a Cheval and Austrian Chevauleger! ) ;-)
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Post by Stan on Sept 30, 2019 10:11:34 GMT
Having gamed in 15, 25 and 54mm for four decades, my preference is for heads off. This due to the face that the different heads allow for more variety than committing to one cast on - this provided there is a peg-hole to facilitate easy, secure attachment! Most 54mm gamers that do not post here would prefer the variety and the ability to choose rather than have to convert! Convenience and variety trumps conversion any day! Just think, with the early helmet and the later shako you can depict Austerlitz one day and Leipzig the next with the ~same~ figures! It saves space and expenditure! Good idea and kudos HaT! (Now, give us French Chasseur`a Cheval and Austrian Chevauleger! ) ;-) Ha ha! Yes yes! Austrian Chevauleger and French Chasseurs would be great! (the last one maybe also with additional hats) so you can also use them as for example Hussars or anything else? I really hope HaT will still go for both Helmets and shako's but also not making an set of Hungarians with option of grenzer hats and Bearskins for grenadiers (which one could use for both German and Hungarian grenadiers) would me a big missed opportunity I believe.
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Post by greentiger on Oct 9, 2019 9:08:25 GMT
Will you take a full complement of helmets and shakos but less bodies?
-No Thanks...
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Post by GarrisonClay on Oct 12, 2019 1:17:58 GMT
Both heads off - and all figures with factory mounting holes in the torso and long pins (necks) attached to the heads. I'm a big supporter of Britains Swoppet style accessory parts (arms and heads and backpacks) but cutting a head off without ruining a uniforms high-collar and then trying to use a pin vise drill and get the hole centered between the shoulders and chest and back at 1/72 scale takes surgical accuracy. HaT pre-drilling torsos would be perfect for me.
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Post by davidmac on Oct 31, 2019 20:51:29 GMT
Off with their heads! Both of 'em.
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Post by John Worden IV on Nov 14, 2019 23:55:23 GMT
Heads off please. I agree it will end up being less work and more flexible.
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2019 9:42:51 GMT
Is there any update yet? :-)
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Post by rbhjr on Nov 30, 2019 22:36:54 GMT
Is there any update yet? :-) Stan; ForumAdmin in the BEF thread said; The sets which are in progress are the 1/72 British Dragoons, ACW, Nap. Austrians in that order. Less further along are Nap. Hungarians and Prussian wagons. In 1/32: they are the 7YW Austrians, less further along are the Nap. Austrians.
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Post by Forum Admin on Dec 1, 2019 2:36:16 GMT
Sorry there is no update yet.
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Post by greentiger on Mar 31, 2020 20:13:47 GMT
Although there is a majority in favour off both heads off here that is on;y 17 people - surely HaT aren't going to make a business decision costing them thousands of ponds based on such a small sample? I for one would not buy them and I doubt I would be alone - I think it would be a colossal error.
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Post by harlow on Apr 7, 2020 16:40:59 GMT
Although there is a majority in favour off both heads off here that is on;y 17 people - surely HaT aren't going to make a business decision costing them thousands of ponds based on such a small sample? I for one would not buy them and I doubt I would be alone - I think it would be a colossal error. It´s quite interesting to read how often you have already insisted that your 3-vote opinion shall be representive for a majority of customers. It seems that you can´t accept an other vote. Hope you aren´t suffering too much that many of us wish indeed a two-head-set. I and many others would buy certainly some boxes of this set to build early and late austrian armies.
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Post by greentiger on Apr 10, 2020 6:14:26 GMT
Well, I certainly am in a minority on this forum but I hope that the respondents to this survey are neither a) the sum total of HaT's customer base or b) representative of that customer base - I would be very surprised if the majority of their customers even know this forum exists. I would personally like to see HaT thrive as a company and would hate for them to invest what is a considerable sum in producing a set that only appeals to 18 people. Just from my experience selling to the wargaming public and from visiting various sites I have formed the opinion that people don't like fiddling about sticking their figures together. Surely people who are happy todo that would also be happy to cut the heads off themselves? I am not advocating no separate heads- just that the set should come with one head firmly attached with an option to decapitate if desired - surely that makes the most economic sense?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 23:10:05 GMT
I agree with Phil. If I want a model kit, that is what I will buy. For a box of figures I am looking for moulded figures to paint, perhaps to use in conversions, but certainly not to stick on heads, packs, arms or any other anatomy/gear that do not fit well, especially with Hat's soft plastic. If they come like that and I really want them (i.e. I cannot get what I want elsewhere), I grin and bear it, but much prefer ready-made figures and for mine would purchase fewer--mainly for conversion potential. Providing loads of extra 'bits' on the sprue that may be utilised in conversions (along with complete figures) is a fantastic form, to me
A compromise for heads on/off could be the approach of Hat's Prussian SYW (8280–8282) with heads on, but hats off. A larger, flat area provides a better surface for gluing. The provision of a large number of extra hats is fantastic for conversion purposes.
While I check out and occasionally comment on the forum I am one in the "I buy, but I do not vote" category.
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Post by Graeme on Apr 11, 2020 3:13:24 GMT
As I said in my previous post I think there will be people who are dismayed by a set of figures sold without heads, maybe even a lot of people. And there will be even more who latch on to this as an excuse for bagging HaT, which seems to be their favourite occupation.
But where were all of these people when HaT asked the question here on the HaT forum and gave them a chance to vote. Same goes for the people who whinged about HaT's choice of plastic, where were they when HaT asked us for our opinion.
HaT gives us the opportunity to tell them what we want. Why shouldn't they act on the results, otherwise what's the point of asking. If the silent majority of customers out there doesn't participate in the polls then they get what the other guys want.
Those of us who voiced our reservations about the separate heads here have done our bit and pointed out something we think HaT should take into consideration. But if the set is released with all separate heads I will be happy to know that it is in line with the wishes of the majority of people who could be arsed to offer an opinion. (OK that's easy for me because I don't have a problem with fixing separate heads).
A more important issue is ,I think, HaT's statement "Will you take a full complement of helmets and shakos but less bodies?" What are the options here, how many of each head will be on the sprue if it has the full complement of figures. Surely people need to know that before they commit to having heads on or off.
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