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Post by Marco Zappa on Oct 24, 2019 13:28:52 GMT
Hi Hat, have You intentions to propose another crowdfunding?
If Yes, I desire the napoleonic infantri Russian in MAC ...and two standard bearer for every sprue. Thanks!!
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Post by Brian on Oct 24, 2019 21:22:40 GMT
Yes I would like to second those Russian Musketeers in 1/72 scale the biggest gap in the Napoleonic era, Hat already have a chunk of the work done masters ready to scan and boxes done whether they are crowdfunded or on the open market they are going to be in demand.
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Post by cpn on Oct 25, 2019 4:54:36 GMT
Hi team,
I would strongly support it especially Russians or the AWI range but the last crowdfunding experience has lower my expectations.
Cheers
CPN
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Post by stevo0113 on Nov 2, 2019 11:16:32 GMT
I think that maybe it might be better if Hat left crowdfunding alone & concentrated on getting regular sets into the shops.
The crowdfunding never seems to run to plan & the funders get their sets after normal buyers which is in my eyes seems unfair.
It seems that the regular sets appear quicker than the funded sets and I think it would be best for both the customers & for Hats reputation if they took this road in the future.
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Post by minuteman on Nov 2, 2019 13:42:40 GMT
I think that maybe it might be better if Hat left crowdfunding alone & concentrated on getting regular sets into the shops. The crowdfunding never seems to run to plan & the funders get their sets after normal buyers which is in my eyes seems unfair. It seems that the regular sets appear quicker than the funded sets and I think it would be best for both the customers & for Hats reputation if they took this road in the future. I agree. I have not participated in crowd-funding but I have followed the discussion in this Forum and there do seem to have been some significant problems. Surely with a set/sets as 'mainstream' as Russian Napoleonic infantry they should be commercially viable in their own right. with many sets being purchased. |
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Post by Graeme on Nov 3, 2019 2:11:38 GMT
I think that maybe it might be better if Hat left crowdfunding alone & concentrated on getting regular sets into the shops. Hi Steve. As I understand it crowdfunding was a way of opening up a second, separate line of production so more sets could be made at the same time. If HaT gets into a position where they can fund the extra production line without crowdfunding all well and good but otherwise no crowdfunding means no extra sets. And cancelling crowdfunding won't allow those extra resources to be put into making the regular sets happen any faster or better because without crowdfunding there won't be any extra resources. As I see it the regular sets get made in the same numbers at the same pace whether there's crowdfunding or not, crowdfunding just means some extra sets get made. If some of the crowdfunded sets take a bit longer they take a bit longer, but we get them eventually; if they're not crowdfunded we don't get them at all. If HaT do get to a point where they can fund the extra production without crowdfunding then crowdfunding would have helped them get there, so it's served a purpose. |
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Post by cpn on Nov 3, 2019 18:58:47 GMT
I think that maybe it might be better if Hat left crowdfunding alone & concentrated on getting regular sets into the shops. Hi Steve. As I understand it crowdfunding was a way of opening up a second, separate line of production so more sets could be made at the same time. If HaT gets into a position where they can fund the extra production line without crowdfunding all well and good but otherwise no crowdfunding means no extra sets. And cancelling crowdfunding won't allow those extra resources to be put into making the regular sets happen any faster or better because without crowdfunding there won't be any extra resources. As I see it the regular sets get made in the same numbers at the same pace whether there's crowdfunding or not, crowdfunding just means some extra sets get made. If some of the crowdfunded sets take a bit longer they take a bit longer, but we get them eventually; if they're not crowdfunded we don't get them at all. If HaT do get to a point where they can fund the extra production without crowdfunding then crowdfunding would have helped them get there, so it's served a purpose. Hi Graeme, I would like to adhere to your hypothesis but what are the extra sets we are talking about? - zulus: do you think there was no market on a normal development? - Prussian Landwehr , same thing. - Peninsular cavalry was developed... in the wrong scale so we payed to be redone in the right one (28mm collectors should be grateful for that). So I am more than willing to support crowdfunding but looking at other examples in our hobby, the crowdfunding should have clear aims and due dates and take precedence to normal sets because we are committed directly. I get that perhaps Hat is a one person company and so it is very demanding to run a business alone not mentioning us being very active on forums about our wishes, dreams or fantasms of the perfect box. In that case, the lessons learned from the crowdfunding are not the best process for Hat. Maybe an indicator for this is the removal of the paragraph once on the main page describing the famous second production line. I am still a big buyer of Hat products and still hoping for the AWI range to be done but I will not commit to crowdfunding if it remains this way. Great debate. Cheers everyone. CPN |
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Post by Graeme on Nov 4, 2019 1:27:54 GMT
I would like to adhere to your hypothesis but what are the extra sets we are talking about? - zulus: do you think there was no market on a normal development? - Prussian Landwehr , same thing. Those sets could have been made under normal development but when? because there were other sets being developed at the time. Looking back at previous threads I see Sasanids, WWI Italians and French artillery, Colonial wagons, 3 sets of Napoleonic French, 7YW Austrians in 1/72 & 1/32 (some of those may have been crowdfunded), the British Dragoons that turned out the wrong size and anything else I've missed or forgotten. There have also been several runs of restocks that people were clamouring for. Like any business I suppose HaT has only a certain amount of money to spend so they can only produce a certain number of new sets. Crowdfunding makes more money available to produce another set. And there was a big backlog of sets waiting for production to get through. Simple equation: Hat has the resources to make X number of sets a year, with crowdfunding they can make X+C sets a year, if they scrap crowdfunding because people don't like it they go back to making X sets a year and you wait for the others. I do wonder if the British dragoons would have been remade in 1/72 without crowdfunding. |
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Post by waynew on Nov 4, 2019 15:15:55 GMT
I guess in the end it boils down to how much you want your Pommeranian Piccolo Players. Am I convinced the crowdfunding I participated in went as smoothly as I liked. No - like many others I am waiting for my British Dragoons.
Unlike some though I'm in no hurry as I have an enormous backlog of painting and projects I can be working on while I wait. I recommend that to my fellow hobbyists. Is it fun to wait years for a project?
No.
But it's not like HaT hasn't tried to keep us informed along the way and hasn't done everything to make us a part of the process and keep us informed when there's news. I guess the only way I'll really be upset is we don't get the figures. But I'm probably in the minority.
I do know lessons are learned with each project and the system will improve. I am not totally disenchanted with it.
Will I participate in another crowdfunding project?
I guess that will depend on the project.
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Post by cpn on Nov 4, 2019 20:40:15 GMT
Good evening ,
Again thank you for this great discussion.
We can see from our personal opinions we have a different approach to crowdfunding probably linked to different experiences not only with Hat.
I maintain that if crowdfunding would allow for x+c products instead of x only, well I am yet to see the difference in the number of new sets delivered.
My question about delivery of British dragoons before or after Xmas is yet to be answered and I was not thinking it was a tough question but the lack of clear answer let me think it is too much for HAT to control. Hence better to give up crowdfunding than to frustrate more and more customers.
Now, one might not get in a hurry to get the figures but I would like to think that Hat doesn't provide interest on this more than a yearly investment and I have current projects for this figures as my stash is pretty under control. Don't be jealous dear Waynew.🤠
Basically until HAT define to the customers and possible future crowdfunders their concept of crowdfunding I think appetite is currently lost.
Now don't misunderstand me, Hat is one of favourite brand and I do hope for their success.
Have a great evening fellow hobbyists.
CPN
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Post by waynew on Nov 5, 2019 3:36:56 GMT
No jealousy here, my friend. I'm glad you're caught up - wish I was.
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Post by Marco Zappa on Nov 5, 2019 6:28:05 GMT
I would like to adhere to your hypothesis but what are the extra sets we are talking about? - zulus: do you think there was no market on a normal development? - Prussian Landwehr , same thing. Those sets could have been made under normal development but when? because there were other sets being developed at the time. Looking back at previous threads I see Sasanids, WWI Italians and French artillery, Colonial wagons, 3 sets of Napoleonic French, 7YW Austrians in 1/72 & 1/32 (some of those may have been crowdfunded), the British Dragoons that turned out the wrong size and anything else I've missed or forgotten. There have also been several runs of restocks that people were clamouring for. Like any business I suppose HaT has only a certain amount of money to spend so they can only produce a certain number of new sets. Crowdfunding makes more money available to produce another set. And there was a big backlog of sets waiting for production to get through. Simple equation: Hat has the resources to make X number of sets a year, with crowdfunding they can make X+C sets a year, if they scrap crowdfunding because people don't like it they go back to making X sets a year and you wait for the others. I do wonder if the British dragoons would have been remade in 1/72 without crowdfunding. I'm completely with you, Greame. This is my sense. More money, more sets in production line. |
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