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Post by cpn on Oct 18, 2017 20:13:20 GMT
Good evening everyone, I thought it was a good time to remember and perhaps support the beautiful AWI project. have a nice evening
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Post by traveller1865 on Oct 19, 2017 5:23:25 GMT
Yes those are magnificent, all major poses, grenadiers, artillery and cavalry for both sides. It waters in the mouth...This should be up in the crowdfunding section but things are going slow, is all hope out for these sets?
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Post by hoosierdaddy on Oct 21, 2017 18:07:07 GMT
Thanks for posting these! I really appreciate it! For a long time now, I have wanted to "drum up support" for this excellent line of miniatures. I hope, now that others can see them, that they will convince HaT that this is a project just as worthy as the Napoleonics and Seven Year's War products. If "Crowdfunding" means that I can get them in to my grubby mitts that much faster; then I'm all for it!
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Post by ToneTW on Oct 22, 2017 14:57:01 GMT
These look amazing! I would love to start a 1/72 AWI project. The AWI is one of my favourite eras yet I haven't a single miniature for this era. I think this is probably because of the difficulty of collecting AWI in 1/72.
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Post by richard on Nov 7, 2017 23:31:46 GMT
Any updates on these Hat? They look absolutely superb. This is an era that really could do with refreshing as there are so few sets created for this, of which most are already deleted...I'm sure this era would be very popular with your customers in the States, they love any period in which they actually have won something...
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 7, 2017 23:33:12 GMT
These can be put into queue but they will be a very large project unless you would want to see them piecemeal.
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Post by richard on Nov 7, 2017 23:49:42 GMT
What's a more successful way of doing things-releasing one or two sets of an era and see how the preliminary sales are, or releasing a whole range but have a significantly long wait for that range to be released? Really curious! Also, as you seem to be on fire this week with updates and responses I have an idea which would certainly give me a greater understanding, probably help a lot of others and possibly even stop a little bit of the moaning that has been going around... Why don't you set up a thread explaining a few concepts around how this industry works. Covering: how long a set takes from concept/design all the way through to being boxed up and heading to a wholesaler. How you decide what themes/eras you want to cover How easy is it to make a set profitable How many sets you could have on the pipeline at once How easy is it to actually do restocks and is it as simple as we would all presume
I appreciate some of this could be business sensitive, but any insight in to how it works would give everyone a greater understanding as to the pressures you're under technically and financially and might help rein in a few unrealistic expectations.
Just a thought!!!!!!
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 8, 2017 1:02:27 GMT
how long a set takes from concept/design all the way through to being boxed up and heading to a wholesaler. - 1 year or more How you decide what themes/eras you want to cover - customer suggestions How easy is it to make a set profitable - not How many sets you could have on the pipeline at once - unknown How easy is it to actually do restocks and is it as simple as we would all presume - hard!
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Post by richard on Nov 8, 2017 10:13:18 GMT
Thanks for replying to the questions. I would love to see some of the above pictures come to fruition, and I'd be be more than happy to see it done piecemeal. Start with the basics of a British infantry set and a Continental infantry set and gradually work your way through to the more specific topics of artillery, cavalry, Hessians, irregulars etc. If you could get the sets to blend in with the difficult to get hold of Accurate infantry sets then I'm pretty sure you're on to a winner!
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 8, 2017 13:28:59 GMT
Thanks for replying to the questions. I would love to see some of the above pictures come to fruition, and I'd be be more than happy to see it done piecemeal. Start with the basics of a British infantry set and a Continental infantry set and gradually work your way through to the more specific topics of artillery, cavalry, Hessians, irregulars etc. If you could get the sets to blend in with the difficult to get hold of Accurate infantry sets then I'm pretty sure you're on to a winner! HaT 7YW Prussians for the Hessians?
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 8, 2017 18:04:41 GMT
Thanks for replying to the questions. I would love to see some of the above pictures come to fruition, and I'd be be more than happy to see it done piecemeal. Start with the basics of a British infantry set and a Continental infantry set and gradually work your way through to the more specific topics of artillery, cavalry, Hessians, irregulars etc. If you could get the sets to blend in with the difficult to get hold of Accurate infantry sets then I'm pretty sure you're on to a winner! HaT 7YW Prussians for the Hessians? Problems with size, HaT 7YW Prussians are huge and won't mix well with Imex and other brands. BTW aren't HäT US based? Time to show some patriotism and get the AWI and ACW sets on the market!
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Post by cpn on Nov 8, 2017 20:00:22 GMT
good evening Hat, Perhaps the way ahead could be a mix between the first intention some years ago a full play set and todays MAC format. why not doing the following pattern i.e combined armies. It is not my favorite solution but at least we might see some very nice figures covering this era if not all if the market enables it. so this could look like/ 1st box = US and British regulars infantry 2nd box = US and British commands 3rd box = US militia and British elites 4th box = US and British cavalry and foot dragons 5th box = US and British artilleries.
The size of the armies of this war could really fit into this way of doing it. I am sure that if on top of it you do the British in red and US in blue in the same boxes it is a go! Your thoughts?
Have a great and nice evening. CPN
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Post by richard on Nov 9, 2017 10:02:22 GMT
I do like that suggestion CPN. Have they ever done any other sets like that? I wonder how cost effective that is to combine two sets into one? Thoughts on this Admin?
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Post by richard on Nov 9, 2017 10:05:19 GMT
HaT 7YW Prussians for the Hessians? Problems with size, HaT 7YW Prussians are huge and won't mix well with Imex and other brands. BTW aren't HäT US based? Time to show some patriotism and get the AWI and ACW sets on the market! Agreed, although a good suggestion, they're just too big to mix in with any current sets. Though desperate times, desperate measures-I used the Prussians combined with Call To Arms British and some Accurate British. Needless to say, it looked odd...
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 9, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
Problems with size, HaT 7YW Prussians are huge and won't mix well with Imex and other brands. BTW aren't HäT US based? Time to show some patriotism and get the AWI and ACW sets on the market! Agreed, although a good suggestion, they're just too big to mix in with any current sets. Though desperate times, desperate measures-I used the Prussians combined with Call To Arms British and some Accurate British. Needless to say, it looked odd... I did too, the size difference was way too apparent and I was disappointed, having a steady supply of marching Hessians would have been a dream but not so...
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Post by cpn on Nov 9, 2017 18:39:06 GMT
I do like that suggestion CPN. Have they ever done any other sets like that? I wonder how cost effective that is to combine two sets into one? Thoughts on this Admin? Good evening, well the only example I recall was the ESCI Napoleonic Artillery combining British and French (2 guns and crews each). I do think this could work for AWI. see link to PSR.
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Post by richard on Nov 9, 2017 23:49:59 GMT
That's probably not the best link to PSR if we want Hat to like this idea of combining...The set is panned in the review FOR combining...But on a positive, wouldn't it be cheaper to combine as it's half the boxes, half the artists fee, half the packing cost, half the shipping cost etc. Unless I'm being too simplistic? Admin, thoughts on my amateur business thoughts?!
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Post by Marco zappa on Nov 18, 2017 14:41:48 GMT
Good evening everyone, I thought it was a good time to remember and perhaps support the beautiful AWI project. have a nice evening View AttachmentView AttachmentReally a wonderful group of subjects ...I hope Hat will cover this amazing historic moment. With friendly...Marco.
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 19, 2017 10:10:44 GMT
I do not think that combined boxes of enemies is a good idea. Revell have just done this with their re-released SYW Infantries and Cavalries. Although I like the Austrian Infantry I do not want any more Revell Prussian Infantry, so will not buy. However, I will get a couple of boxes of the combined Cavalries. For the AWI Artillery the two sets should be compatible with each other so that we can get a good selection of figures, the same as offered by Imex. Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by traveller1865 on Nov 19, 2017 11:55:39 GMT
if mixed/combined boxes is the only way to get them out quick why not...
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 20, 2017 9:47:09 GMT
As to the question of mixed boxes look at the PSR Review of the ESCI mixed Prussian Jaegers/Austrian Infantry (Jaegers if painted grey) for the 1805 period. Mixed sets means fewer poses of each and the requirement of buying both when maybe you only want one. As an example for the AWI maybe you only want the British Light Dragoons since they wore the same uniform in the SYW and you really have no use for the American Dragoons. Or conversely you have already bought lots of Italeri British Light Dragoons and so only want their American Adversaries. In the same way that people seem to like the MAC format so that they can choose between Marching and Action and howmany Command figures they want instead of the fixed ratio, the same happens with combined boxes that will force you to have a fixed ratio for the opposing forces.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by richard on Nov 20, 2017 23:29:34 GMT
What about mixed sets but in a larger box, like the 90-100 piece sets? Although I do get the argument of not always wanting to have to buy the large set just for a proportion of the figures. Either way, I would take any type of set as long as it meant the AWI project was happening...
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Post by Ironsides on Nov 21, 2017 0:14:16 GMT
Well I dont know, I think the artillery and cavalry would have to be seperate from the infantry that make up the bulk of the 50+ masters, which would make the infantry big box sets... I dont see how you can do it with less then 6 sets and then the number of infantry masters will limit duplicates... So probably best to go for at least 8 sets(if not more) 2x2 infantry, 2x cavalry/mounted and 2x artillery.. Boxes can be one size fits all, all the same AWI artwork British facing Americans plus a sticky label on the end...
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 24, 2017 9:24:36 GMT
Taking another look at the masters and taking into account my own collection to date my thoughts are the following.
1: Make the sets comparable in size with the Accurate and ACTA sets. That way even if released piece meal they will be welcome additions. As to the availability of the other companies products, just look at how Revell have made their SYW sets available to coinside with the Hat re-release of their Prussians.
2: The correctly sized cavalry sets should be welcomed. The British can be used for the SYW as well. I suppose that these would be packaged as 3 mounted and 2 dismounted per sprue.
3: As the artillery uniforms are practically the same I do not care whether they are marketed as the big sprue with 2 guns and all the artillery men on a sprue or as 2 separate boxes as long as they are made available soon. At present I have the Imex sets with good crews but small 1 pounder guns for the 2 major protangonists and Zvedza Napoleonic French with Head Swops (easy) and removal of those backpacks and straps (difficult and time consuming) with the Italeri French Infantry that are not one of their finest.
All in all this interesting era has not been well served to date but with these Hat reinforcments a very reasonable representation could become a reality.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by richard on Nov 24, 2017 12:38:12 GMT
Taking another look at the masters and taking into account my own collection to date my thoughts are the following. 1: Make the sets comparable in size with the Accurate and ACTA sets. That way even if released piece meal they will be welcome additions. As to the availability of the other companies products, just look at how Revell have made their SYW sets available to coinside with the Hat re-release of their Prussians. 2: The correctly sized cavalry sets should be welcomed. The British can be used for the SYW as well. I suppose that these would be packaged as 3 mounted and 2 dismounted per sprue. 3: As the artillery uniforms are practically the same I do not care whether they are marketed as the big sprue with 2 guns and all the artillery men on a sprue or as 2 separate boxes as long as they are made available soon. At present I have the Imex sets with good crews but small 1 pounder guns for the 2 major protangonists and Zvedza Napoleonic French with Head Swops (easy) and removal of those backpacks and straps (difficult and time consuming) with the Italeri French Infantry that are not one of their finest. 1: Agree-the Accurate sets are so good it would be silly not to link them size wise. 2: Strangely not fussed about the cavalry. Got a couple sets of the Italeri British cavalry just sitting around waiting to be dealt with but I always find something else to do. 3: I think the Imex American artillery set is actually not too bad. But Hat are capable of much better than that. Would be good if a lot of the poses were not with jackets on etc but just in shirts. That would make it even easier to be sold as both British and American. Not sure I have the patience or steady hand to go to the effort of the French conversion you described! I've just lazily turned Revell SYW Austrian artillery (a great set) into French FIW artillery and the Imex American AWI artillery into Royal Artillery. I choose to ignore the inaccuracies as I'm not skilled enough to do anything about it!
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