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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Apr 6, 2018 19:45:13 GMT
Hi everyone
What do you think would be the best way to do Napoleonic artillery sets
I would love "Battery" boxes which contain 2 Guns with 6 figs for each, 2 limbers with crews and 2 x 6 horse teams. It would also include spare gun barrels, gabions and a commander for the battery, I used to love this format from other company's in the past.
my other suggestion would be a 24 fig box of gun crew figures which are all different poses with the guns available as a separate box and contains multiple calibers of barrels to expand the use of the box
I think the mac format for figures could be translated into a new format for artillery sets what do you all think?
bfn
Allan
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Post by waynew on Apr 6, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
I like your idea of having more crew members along with limbers. My own preference has been for four to six-gun batteries (that's from my own experience as a gun dog or cannon cocker, if you prefer). But I think a trade off having complete gun sections would be worth fewer guns in a box (after all, for me I can buy more boxes to fill out my preferred arty strength). As I said, I like having complete sections, but I would be willing to trade that off to have more poses if you sold the guns and crews separately.
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Post by jock52 on Apr 7, 2018 8:45:25 GMT
Frankly I'd just settle for British Napoleonic Artillery, horse and foot in whatever form it comes.
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Post by bongman on Apr 7, 2018 9:20:13 GMT
Revell, ESCI, Call to Arms and Airfix all make British Artillery.
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Post by waynew on Apr 7, 2018 14:46:30 GMT
Only Revell made a truly complete British Arty set; Esci is okay if all you wanted was guns to represent them on a game board but if your rules are strict they are stuck in position without limbers - but four poses and one looking through a spyglass one-handed... ACTA was (notice I say "was" as I'm not sure they're still in production) a great representation of foot arty, but again, no limbers and four poses... Airfix did a pretty good job as far as that's concerned (and this is personal opinion here) but they are a bit dated and undersized and I hated the way they did their horse stands on the limbers. I never could get them to do right - even BEFORE the molds started wearing out.
If Revell sets were more available without having to pawn my mother to get a set I would agree the vacancy could be said to be adequately served. I don't really see that happening. My hopes they were going to release the set a few years back have been dashed. I think new sets of British Foot and Horse Arty might not be at the TOP of a list of new sets, but should be in an upper tier.
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Post by endeavour on Apr 7, 2018 17:01:56 GMT
As always I suppose it depends what you want to achieve. If you want all gun companies, with no limbers or caissons then current production will suit most requirements.
I have to agree that in the case of the British Artillery the ACTA Foot Artillery set is scarce and the Esci Horse Artillery are, IMHO, too wrong to be used (tailed jacket). In both cases there's no option for those who want limbers.
If you do want limbers with your guns then the Airfix Horse Artillery at least provide one limber to two guns, even if one of those guns is not firing but being reloaded and the style is somewhat dated. The Revell Foot Artillery is well done but again three guns, one Limber so anyone wanting a limber per gun is going to get an awful lot of wastage.
A battery box is a novel idea but with Hat appearing to be reducing the contents of its boxes (Infantry down to 24/20 figures in a set) and Waterloo 1815 already producing small sets I doubt it will ever become reality.
Personally I prefer the Hat French Artillery sets where you can get guns and gunners in one box and limbers/caissons in another. It suits me as I can decide how many support vehicles I put with my guns with little or no waste. However if you are tied to specific requirements in war gaming rules then you might require something different.
And so it goes on
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Post by Forum Admin on Apr 7, 2018 19:23:14 GMT
...with Hat appearing to be reducing the contents of its boxes (Infantry down to 24/20 figures in a set) ... The ones coming on the market now with those numbers were designed a few years ago during a down period. All the new ones being designed right now have more than that.
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Post by jock52 on Apr 7, 2018 22:28:12 GMT
I'm well aware of the plethora of other makers but as this is a HaT site and HaT don't do 'em...
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Post by Von Keitel on Apr 7, 2018 23:31:56 GMT
Hat made some beautiful russian masters back in 2010. When are they ever gonna release them?
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Post by von keitel on Apr 7, 2018 23:37:45 GMT
Oops sorry I did a search and it led me back here. Sorry about my last post. Being not about art. But I use two gun batteries with 3 gun russian batteries. Most of my guns are hat. But I wish they produced a russian limber and cassion set as well.
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 8, 2018 9:53:26 GMT
I am tired of the minimalistic approach to Artillery where there is usually a crew of 4 to each gun but they are unrelated, having 1 Firing, another loading and maybe a third manhandling the piece. Take a look at the Revell SYW Austrian Artillery. In that set there are enough variety of figures to have 1 gun being fired and the other two being loaded/aimed or manhandled back into position and still with extra Gun Captains. With 2 sets you end up with enough men left over to get a set of Pontooniers. In addition to all this there is a 4 horse limber that has 4 differently posed horse and 2 differently posed drivers.
For the Hat format I would like to see them use the large sprue to have room for 2 guns and 2 crews, one Firing and the other loading with still room for a Gun Captain. If they could make this happen for their planned SYW Prussian Artillery set I would be very happy. As to the guns , take a look at the Imex AWI sets. Although undersized the attachment of the barrel to the gun carriage is much better than the normal way of having it just perched on top.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by endeavour on Apr 8, 2018 21:06:06 GMT
I'd like to see some Prussian Artillery Limbers and Caissons, they have been on the product list as an "xx" against their number for many years. But I also know there are many other areas of history that are not yet satisfactorily covered.
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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Dec 11, 2018 13:44:10 GMT
Any plans to make these figures in 2019 ?
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Post by Zaphod on Feb 10, 2019 5:44:33 GMT
I would go for 1 complete gun team per box. That is,
* A full crew of at least six men doing crewy things on foot, plus (or including) one figure (mounted if horse arty) that can be used as an officer. * A complete gun, preferably with variant barrels for 6/9/12 pdr or whatever. * A limber with 6-horse team, with full allotment of train crew. * Ammo boxes, stacked ball, buckets, and other typical arty accoutrements.
Especially keen on the limber and accoutrements as it seems these days many manufacturers don't bother producing them, perhaps promting many gamers to field their guns with no horse-teams or just one token team per battery.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Mar 9, 2019 2:41:08 GMT
Zvezda makes (or made, hard to tell if anything is discontinued) superb French and Russian sets with ammo wagons and horse sets.
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Post by greentiger on Apr 4, 2019 8:36:07 GMT
I prefer the current set up with guns and crew, then limbers etc separate...
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Post by vmc on Apr 15, 2019 3:13:05 GMT
I would go for 1 complete gun team per box. That is, * A full crew of at least six men doing crewy things on foot, plus (or including) one figure (mounted if horse arty) that can be used as an officer. * A complete gun, preferably with variant barrels for 6/9/12 pdr or whatever. * A limber with 6-horse team, with full allotment of train crew. * Ammo boxes, stacked ball, buckets, and other typical arty accoutrements. Especially keen on the limber and accoutrements as it seems these days many manufacturers don't bother producing them, perhaps promting many gamers to field their guns with no horse-teams or just one token team per battery.
Crewy things are good, even better if they are all doing the same thing instead of one firing the piece while someone else is loading and someone moving the carriage...........
Please note though that artillerymen don't stack cannonballs on the ground on a muddy battlefield: if they did, the attached powder bags would either get too wet to ignite or worse still, detonate together when the flash from the first shot set them off..........
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Post by Boom boom out go the lights on Apr 15, 2019 6:38:42 GMT
Happy with HäT's approach of having one set of guns with crew, and a separate set with limbers, horses and drivers.
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Post by lateonparade on Apr 15, 2019 7:03:30 GMT
Most heartily agree. And this allows for headswaps to provide limbers and caissons for multiple nations, until the production of future vehicles for the different combatants. My comments are limited to the Napoleonic Era.
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Post by Zaphod on May 4, 2019 9:08:13 GMT
Happy with HäT's approach of having one set of guns with crew, and a separate set with limbers, horses and drivers. On second thoughts this is probably my preferred approach as well - as long as both packs stay in production! If some folks decide they don’t want limbers on the gaming table that’s entirely up to them. I already have numerous limberless guns and would be happy for the chance to kit them out without buying yet more guns and crew. Open limbers/ caissons, with ammo being removed for use, would also be welcome. Very much like malcolm’s idea of having one gun team firing, and another pushing their gun back into position. Excellent thought! P.S. Find myself with the problem of equipping Brunswick and Polish Napoleonic batteries with Prussian (iirc) and other nations’ guns and limbers. If there were a non-wasteful way of achieving this it would be good, as I do not envisage building a Prussian army.
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Post by waynew on May 4, 2019 16:58:25 GMT
I, too have been a fan of HaT's approach to the Field Arty issue for many of the reasons stated above. I know that I have accumulated many sets of Field Arty over the years that consisted of just gun with the minimal four figures in the usual poses. HaT's separate limber and caisson approach has allowed me to fully outfit those units I believe require caissons and limbers to the point I think such elements need representing in my scenes (not a gamer, mind you) without requiring me to buy elements of a firing battery I don't want.
At the same time, as has been said the separate limbers and caissons also allow me to outfit other nations' batteries for which it isn't really practical to do a separate set. Extra crew members? Well a little work with a hobby knife and I can field full(er) crews.
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Post by garpant on Sept 25, 2019 18:43:05 GMT
Has anyone ever thought about making separate sets of guns and crew? I don't know about the practicality or feasibility or the marketability of such a thing.
You could do sprues of 4 guns with a variety of barrels (tubes) and package it in whatever multiples you wanted. I would think 8,12 or 16 guns.
Artillery sets are manufactured with the basic crew You have a rammer, a man with Port fire, and a figure carrying ammo and a gun Commander. Some manufacturers some manufacturers give you a figure with a handspike or repositioning Wheels. So you do eight crewmen to a spure in a variety of poses maybe some with rings hands and extra tools. You could also do one or two figures in the act of defending the guns. This would give you the extra artillerymen that the guns required also give you replacements and artillerymen for the random guns that you pick up along the way such as metal,Giant and ,yes, the Eagle games guns. I think maybe doing command groups,en bricole,and prolonge maybe a little ambitious.
Seems to me this would be a system that would give you quite a bit of flexibility .I'm sure there's many details there that I haven't thought of and and I don't know if you even if it would be practical or if you could make money off of it. Just a random thought.
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Post by pinotnoir on Sept 25, 2019 20:57:56 GMT
Two crews, two guns 1/32.
while we are at it- four horses, four troopers a few extra arms/heads 1/32.
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Post by Stan on Sept 29, 2019 10:07:15 GMT
I would support every arty in 1/32 scale! :-)
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Post by Jordan on Sept 30, 2019 3:09:00 GMT
I think that with (almost) everyone else (In the plastic world) only making the guns and crews in action, Hat should divide all of its artillery into two basic sets, sets with 4 unlimbered guns and gun crews in action, with interchangeable cannon barrels. and a set with 4 complete teams of horses and limbers to pull the guns. If Hat really wants to be cute Then another set of 4 complete teams of horses with wagons are needed.
My logic is that the user can get as may logical parts that are needed, we have the correct number of extra limbers to haul those ECSI, A Call to Arms, and Waterloo 1815 guns around And you can very the amount of a Wagon train to keep those batteries in supply.
Jordan.
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