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Post by Forum Admin on May 13, 2019 21:43:55 GMT
Please let us know what you would like to see for this set:
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Post by General Reeve on May 13, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
We have been waiting for these for years now, so many thanks for looking in to these figures. I would love to see the set charging with officer and trumpeter.
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Post by Steve W on May 13, 2019 23:49:42 GMT
Given the only difference between the Dutch and Belgian Carabiniers was the headdress, a good opportunity to combine the sets and offer a selection of heads. If you left out the blanket roll, you could provide French dragoon heads to provide for post 1812 elite company dragoons. (Horse furniture identical).
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Post by waynew on May 14, 2019 1:22:50 GMT
Given the only difference between the Dutch and Belgian Carabiniers was the headdress, a good opportunity to combine the sets and offer a selection of heads. If you left out the blanket roll, you could provide French dragoon heads to provide for post 1812 elite company dragoons. (Horse furniture identical). Interesting idea if practical, given the constraints of the mold. Going by past sets I believe extra arms ( with long pegs) would handle the "special poses of musicians and guidon/color bearers as needed. There are a lot of possibilities for simple conversions with these guys.
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Post by endeavour on May 14, 2019 6:45:35 GMT
Given the only difference between the Dutch and Belgian Carabiniers was the headdress, a good opportunity to combine the sets and offer a selection of heads. If you left out the blanket roll, you could provide French dragoon heads to provide for post 1812 elite company dragoons. (Horse furniture identical). "If I ruled the world" or at least had final say in Hat decision making, I would produce these figures with the Bicorn with alternative helmeted heads. My reason for saying this is that the number of Carabineers in the 100 days were roughly 2/3 in bicorn, 1/3 in helmet. It would focus on the majority uniform and reduce the amount of conversion I would need to do. The blanket roll could be separate as with the Netherlands light cavalry set in order to facilitate the French Dragoon elites but personally I like as little assembly as possible. Also I'm not sure if, as shown, the Dutch wore it over the right shoulder and the Belgians over the left but if so keeping them separate could be a solution to that conundrum. I like the format of separate arms for trumpeters, holding carbines and just the potential differences in pose it offers. For horses I prefer a mid range level of movement, I'm not really keen on the full blown, full stretch charge or the static poses but that doesn't stop me using them. To be honest after years of hoping these regiments would be produced, as long as they actually make it to the production line I'll be happy.
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Post by Graeme on May 14, 2019 13:01:36 GMT
I don't mind doing head swaps but some people just don't want to do that. If HaT want to make two sets don't put them off.
The 1815 regulations mean that perhaps we need more helmets than you might think, but the Belgian uniform remained unchanged I believe, so no problem with this set.
I like cavalry figures to be in action and I like horses to be moving, I'll use standing figures but they're not a selling point for me.
Spare arms for trumpets, carbines, alternative sabre poses, etc are useful.
Re the blanket roll, am I right in thinking that cavalry invariably wore this on the shoulder of the non-sword arm to give some protection from sabre cuts? Wearing it on the shoulder of the sword arm might impede the movement of the sword arma and. also, this side of the body was (theoretically) adequately protected by using the sword to parry.
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Post by cpn on May 14, 2019 18:14:38 GMT
Hi, BLANKET ROLL: Unlike the infantry because of the musket, cavalry tend to wear blanket roll on the right shoulder. Simply because when facing another opponent the sword would try to smash your right shoulder. I personally make my own blanket roll in green stuff. Cheers. CPN
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Post by Marco Zappa on May 15, 2019 3:26:33 GMT
Good idea.
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Post by Graeme on May 18, 2019 3:34:25 GMT
you could provide French dragoon heads. Good idea!
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Post by mort1815 on May 28, 2019 19:12:35 GMT
Yes please, with options for trumpet, sabres, carbines, optional blanket roll and as with everyone else different head options would be useful. Charging horses preferred either way.
I would love to see a larger box with more troopers and a smaller command/trumpeter element with the option to go either Dutch or Belgian
overall great idea to fill a gap in the market
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Post by endeavour on Jun 1, 2019 17:13:55 GMT
Here's a cheeky suggestion.
Rather than producing a set of Belgian Carabineers AND a set of Dutch, instead produce, as many have suggested, a combined set in bicorne with spare heads wearing helmets. Nothing new so far.
This would then free up one set's worth of space on your planning board for Netherlands Hussars! Using the same horses as the Light Dragoon set number 8032 you would only need to design the riders.
Of course, Hat could always just do as it pleases, but if I ruled the world ............
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Post by Jordan on Jun 5, 2019 2:13:09 GMT
Sorry folks, there was a blackout before I could complete this post yesterday...
I hope that Hat makes two sets of Belgian Carabiniers, with one being a command set of an officer, a Bugler and an NCO and a private, with spare heads to make the Dutch Carabiniers if needed.
The basic set would be four privates, with spare heads to make Dutch Carabiniers, per figure.
Since the Belgians wore Helmets, they can be easily converted for those customers who can not easy head swap into French elite company Line Lancers, The elite company of the French 1st Line Chasseurs at Waterloo, and the 7th (Pro French) Spanish Lancers of King Joseph’s Spanish Army all had this basic uniform. And, a spare (Dutch) head per figure would be nice.
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Post by Nigel on Jul 9, 2019 15:29:58 GMT
There have been some good suggestions put forward here but we should be careful to get this right... 1 can you confirm did the Carabiniers have pioneers? 2 Did both of the Dutch regiments have round porthmantuers and the Belgium’s square like the French Dragoon’s? 3 Did the officers of all three regiments have the horse furniture of the French Dragoon style? 4 Were the colours of the French almost square pattern?
I’ll leave it there and await some feed back as the portmanteaus throw the cat amounts the pigeons...
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Post by greentiger on Jul 10, 2019 9:02:14 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that the Dutch Carabiniers wore 'the old style long tailed coat' as well as the bicorn...
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Post by Forum Admin on Jul 10, 2019 9:26:50 GMT
I’ll leave it there and await some feed back as the portmanteaus throw the cat amounts the pigeons... The question about the portmanteau is easily solved. There are two methods: 1) Add on horse furniture like that of the WWI cavalry sets: 2) Make the portmanteau in a hexagon shape. However, the bigger concern is that some members of this forum have stated that they do not wish to do any assembly of the figures. A combined set as suggested would include many tiny parts.
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Post by Steve W on Jul 10, 2019 11:26:33 GMT
I realise that some don't want to do any assembly, but how hard is it to attach a head or a portmanteau?? There were only three regiments of Dutch/Belgian cavalry so it is not going to be a huge seller - in fact there might be more demand from people wanting the elite companies of the French Dragoons, of which there were 30 regiments at one point.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 11, 2019 11:55:40 GMT
Dutch carabiniers stuck to the old style coat with long skirts, and the bicorne, during the 100 Days. There is a 2009 contribution on Hät's site that shows 1806 Prussian dragoons converted into the Dutch carabiniers (and the Marechaussee): www.hat.com/Othr8/Bijl01P.htmlOsprey artwork has them wear the bicorne in fore-and-aft style but I still think that was a great idea, and certainly good enough for me; a kit of Belgian dragoons wearing the new short coats and helmets is what I been waiting for since ages.
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