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Post by rbhjr on Oct 1, 2019 5:16:35 GMT
Was looking at current available 1/32 Napoleonic infantry and believe there is a big opportunity here for Hat!
Available 1/32 Napoleonic French line infantry 1806-15
Airfix: pre-Bardin, quality figures/OK poses, expensive discontinued
Call to Arms: Bardin, scale too small
Armies in Plastic: pre-Bardin, decent figures/poses, but with elite epaulettes
Italeri (and clones): wrong era/uniform, oversized bicorn, bad poses
Hat long coat French elites: great figures/poses but with elite epaulettes
Hat Chasseurs: great pre-Bardin but elite epaulettes & Light infantry boots
Expeditionary Force: over sized, overpriced Bardin
As can be seen, in here is a lack of good French line to build armies. No one can do much in 1/32 scale Napoleonics unless French armies can be built to attack or defend against them!
And what of France’s most common foe from 1801-14? It’s much much worse!
Austrian 1/32 Napoleonic infantry
Italeri 1798-1809: German line & Hungarian Gren out of production
Italeri pre-1798: early German line/light/gren oversized & out of production
Hat Brunswicker’s: good Austrian Jager & Volenteer Landwehr, but only 4 poses
Grenzers??? NO PRODUCERS
Hungarian line & German grenadiers??? NO PRODUCERS
Hat has done an amazing job producing excellent secondary unit Napoleonic troops in 1/32 scale. But what is really needed & would be economically successful (given how quickly Hat 1/32 Napoleonic sets sellout) is to produce the core French & Austrian units nesseccary to build large-scale armies.
I am SO looking forward to the Hat Austrian German line infantry MAC sets currently in development (since November 2009), and hope Hat has the vision to produce the French line & Austrian line/gren (Landwehr & Grenzer) sets nesseccary to support allow us to build both full armies, and thus drive further demand for Hats current and future Napoleonic sets.
Cheers
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Post by Marc on Oct 6, 2019 7:19:36 GMT
Agreed. 100%
What I would say is that a retailer of 54mm figures told me the only big sellers are French and British, and guard are the tops.
So I wish to see more 54s, in my case especially, cavalry. And Austrians and French would be good. But how successful they will be remains to be seen. The 28mm producers have shown this. The initial sets were all French and British.
So here’s hoping
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Post by waynew on Oct 6, 2019 15:12:03 GMT
Agreed. 100% What I would say is that a retailer of 54mm figures told me the only big sellers are French and British, and guard are the tops. So I wish to see more 54s, in my case especially, cavalry. And Austrians and French would be good. But how successful they will be remains to be seen. The 28mm producers have shown this. The initial sets were all French and British. So here’s hoping That's the feedback I got speaking to retailers at a show a few years ago. |
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Post by rbhjr on Oct 8, 2019 1:06:36 GMT
Agreed. 100% What I would say is that a retailer of 54mm figures told me the only big sellers are French and British, and guard are the tops. So I wish to see more 54s, in my case especially, cavalry. And Austrians and French would be good. But how successful they will be remains to be seen. The 28mm producers have shown this. The initial sets were all French and British. So here’s hoping That's the feedback I got speaking to retailers at a show a few years ago. I have heard similar and believe it be a relevant consideration. However, Hat has been successful in the scale producing mostly non-French (and no British) 1/32 scale figures, including mostly smalller more niche troop types. I believe that existing niche Hat sets like Bavarians & Wurttemburgers (not to mention Hats excellent French light infantry sets) become even more in demand when sets to build a full quaility Austrian army to oppose them are finally available. I think one of the reasons the French and British sets have always been big sellers (besides strong interest in the hobby in English speaking countries and France) is the depth and breadth of producers of various troop types for these armies allow us to build more interesting fully fleshed out armies. Cheers |
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Post by Stan on Oct 8, 2019 19:29:17 GMT
Happy you brought this up Rahway! I also did a post on 1/32 Napoleonic line infantry...There is a big lack of it! I had sad up most of my painted french now and I have soooo many elites! I miss decent and mostly available Fusilier sets, campaign dress, greatcoats...I would see pre-Bardin, than with a separate headset et voila! You can cover everything from revolutionary wars to Austerlitz and all the way up to 1812! Which also fits all the other Napoleonic sets by hat! :-)
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Post by Stan on Oct 8, 2019 19:33:53 GMT
That's the feedback I got speaking to retailers at a show a few years ago. I have heard similar and believe it be a relevant consideration. However, Hat has been successful in the scale producing mostly non-French (and no British) 1/32 scale figures, including mostly smalller more niche troop types. I believe that existing niche Hat sets like Bavarians & Wurttemburgers (not to mention Hats excellent French light infantry sets) become even more in demand when sets to build a full quaility Austrian army to oppose them are finally available. I think one of the reasons the French and British sets have always been big sellers (besides strong interest in the hobby in English speaking countries and France) is the depth and breadth of producers of various troop types for these armies allow us to build more interesting fully fleshed out armies. Cheers Last thing I want to see is more British..Ugl..I think you are spot on...Giving an (extensive opponent) will create more support and interest for the other sets, especially now that the French lights are becoming available again :-) |
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Post by Stan on Oct 8, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
Was looking at current available 1/32 Napoleonic infantry and believe there is a big opportunity here for Hat! Available 1/ 32 Napoleonic French line infantry 1806- 15 Airfix: pre-Bardin, quality figures/OK poses, expensive discontinued Call to Arms: Bardin, scale too small Armies in Plastic: pre-Bardin, decent figures/poses, but with elite epaulettes Italeri (and clones): wrong era/uniform, oversized bicorn, bad poses Hat long coat French elites: great figures/poses but with elite epaulettes Hat Chasseurs: great pre-Bardin but elite epaulettes & Light infantry boots Expeditionary Force: over sized, overpriced Bardin As can be seen, in here is a lack of good French line to build armies. No one can do much in 1/32 scale Napoleonics unless French armies can be built to attack or defend against them! And what of France’s most common foe from 1801-14? It’s much much worse! Austrian 1/ 32 Napoleonic infantry Italeri 1798-1809: German line & Hungarian Gren out of production Italeri pre-1798: early German line/light/gren oversized & out of production Hat Brunswicker’s: good Austrian Jager & Volenteer Landwehr, but only 4 poses Grenzers??? NO PRODUCERS Hungarian line & German grenadiers??? NO PRODUCERS Hat has done an amazing job producing excellent secondary unit Napoleonic troops in 1/32 scale. But what is really needed & would be economically successful (given how quickly Hat 1/32 Napoleonic sets sellout) is to produce the core French & Austrian units nesseccary to build large-scale armies. I am SO looking forward to the Hat Austrian German line infantry MAC sets currently in development (since November 2009), and hope Hat has the vision to produce the French line & Austrian line/gren (Landwehr & Grenzer) sets nesseccary to support allow us to build both full armies, and thus drive further demand for Hats current and future Napoleonic sets. Cheers I agree on all points! Good summary! I hope this arrives at the right desk @the HaT office? And 2nd! :-D I would loveee to see HaT Austrian Grenadiers, landwehr and Grenzers! I think covering more unit types will make more people switch, start or continue with this scale. Many people are hessistant due to the lack of sets...More sets will make the scale more attractive and there is the opportunity for HAT :-) And my plea a little while ago; hat.freeforums.net/thread/541/wildest-dreams-bardin-french-infantry |
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Post by rbhjr on Oct 9, 2019 4:00:11 GMT
Was looking at current available 1/32 Napoleonic infantry and believe there is a big opportunity here for Hat! Available 1/ 32 Napoleonic French line infantry 1806- 15 Airfix: pre-Bardin, quality figures/OK poses, expensive discontinued Call to Arms: Bardin, scale too small Armies in Plastic: pre-Bardin, decent figures/poses, but with elite epaulettes Italeri (and clones): wrong era/uniform, oversized bicorn, bad poses Hat long coat French elites: great figures/poses but with elite epaulettes Hat Chasseurs: great pre-Bardin but elite epaulettes & Light infantry boots Expeditionary Force: over sized, overpriced Bardin As can be seen, in here is a lack of good French line to build armies. No one can do much in 1/32 scale Napoleonics unless French armies can be built to attack or defend against them! And what of France’s most common foe from 1801-14? It’s much much worse! Austrian 1/ 32 Napoleonic infantry Italeri 1798-1809: German line & Hungarian Gren out of production Italeri pre-1798: early German line/light/gren oversized & out of production Hat Brunswicker’s: good Austrian Jager & Volenteer Landwehr, but only 4 poses Grenzers??? NO PRODUCERS Hungarian line & German grenadiers??? NO PRODUCERS Hat has done an amazing job producing excellent secondary unit Napoleonic troops in 1/32 scale. But what is really needed & would be economically successful (given how quickly Hat 1/32 Napoleonic sets sellout) is to produce the core French & Austrian units nesseccary to build large-scale armies. I am SO looking forward to the Hat Austrian German line infantry MAC sets currently in development (since November 2009), and hope Hat has the vision to produce the French line & Austrian line/gren (Landwehr & Grenzer) sets nesseccary to support allow us to build both full armies, and thus drive further demand for Hats current and future Napoleonic sets. Cheers I agree on all points! Good summary! I hope this arrives at the right desk @the HaT office? And 2nd! :-D I would loveee to see HaT Austrian Grenadiers, landwehr and Grenzers! I think covering more unit types will make more people switch, start or continue with this scale. Many people are hessistant due to the lack of sets...More sets will make the scale more attractive and there is the opportunity for HAT :-) And my plea a little while ago; hat.freeforums.net/thread/541/wildest-dreams-bardin-french-infantryThe dream I am working on is building units to do a 1/32 section of the battle of Wagram. While waiting for Hat French restock & new Austrian line I’ve been building French ally units; Bavarians Corp (16 sets of Hat Bavarians) Baden Brigade (18 sets of Hat Wurttemberg Line & Jagers) Saxon Corp; Line & Shutzen; 250 Accurate AWI British (I know not perfect) Grenadiers; 70 Call to Arms AWI British Grenadiers Leib Grenadier Gard; 45 LOD AWI British Grenadiers Also been building Austrian Jager/Volunteer units with about 200 Hat Brunswick jagers in grey and tan |
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Post by greentiger on Oct 9, 2019 9:05:02 GMT
It would be nice to see some more 1/32 Napoleonics but I suspect it is quite a small market. In the meantime as suggested above conversion is the way forward. Might I suggest that the ACTA British Light Infantry make pretty good Grenzers - a few minor adjustments and then paint accordingly (PS No-one has made British infantry centre companies that I am aware of)
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Post by quarion on Oct 9, 2019 12:57:52 GMT
It would be nice to see some more 1/32 Napoleonics but I suspect it is quite a small market. In the meantime as suggested above conversion is the way forward. Might I suggest that the ACTA British Light Infantry make pretty good Grenzers - a few minor adjustments and then paint accordingly (PS No-one has made British infantry centre companies that I am aware of) How about Expeditionary Force Napoleonic British Line Infantry Centre Coy. (1812-1815) available on their website. I know they are expensive - 32.50 $ for only nine soldiers - but still it's an option. And yeah, you can make every army of this period by conversions but it's very time consuming if you want it to look beautiful and historically correct. |
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Post by greentiger on Oct 10, 2019 9:05:52 GMT
'How about Expeditionary Force Napoleonic British Line Infantry Centre Coy. (1812-1815)' - As you say, they are too expensive - be cheaper for me in metal - also if they are like other figures from this company they will be far too large.
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Post by rbhjr on Oct 11, 2019 5:09:49 GMT
SO HAPPY! Just received first order of 1/32 Hat French Light infantry restock sets!
Unfortunately I was only able to get the following sets (rest of order on backorder);
1x Voltigeurs
4x Chasseurs
They are a darker blue than the original Hat French Light sets. But I prefer the darker color as it’s more “French Blue” after all. All in all up to the excellent Hat standard!
Hope to buy many more (including Carbiniers & command) sets, hopefully in the darker blue in the near future.
Cheers!
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Post by Lenox on Oct 14, 2019 6:43:16 GMT
rbhjrGlad you are enjoying it! On the restocks being in a darker blue, that is a bit of a shame. I have a few boxes of the French lights from the earlier run in turquoise and hoped the restocks would "match." I did not mind the 7yw prussians redone in a darker prussian blue than the original turquoise as I did not have any boxes from before hand. While I'm not against the new color, for those of us who do not paint majority of our figures it is a bit of a downside. Nonetheless, I intend to purchase the restocks and perhaps paint my older sets...
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Post by rbhjr on Oct 15, 2019 6:56:25 GMT
rbhjrGlad you are enjoying it! On the restocks being in a darker blue, that is a bit of a shame. I have a few boxes of the French lights from the earlier run in turquoise and hoped the restocks would "match." I did not mind the 7yw prussians redone in a darker prussian blue than the original turquoise as I did not have any boxes from before hand. While I'm not against the new color, for those of us who do not paint majority of our figures it is a bit of a downside. Nonetheless, I intend to purchase the restocks and perhaps paint my older sets... I hear you Lenox as I too expect to enjoy large portions of my Napoleonics unpainted. I have 1 set Chasseurs & 2 Carbinier in the lighter blue shade as well. Doing the restock French lights in dark blue I can at least understand as it is more historically accurate than the earlier lighter blue. That said, I also liked the lighter blue colored figures. What is much less understandable was doing the Bavarian command restock in a darker blue (while the Bavarian marching & attacking sets remain in the more historically accurate for them same lighter blue as the first run French lights). Seems an opportunity to consistently distinguish the French navy blue from Bavarian cornflour blue was missed only by the Bavarian command set. Cheers |
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Post by Stan on Oct 15, 2019 18:57:26 GMT
rbhjr Glad you are enjoying it! On the restocks being in a darker blue, that is a bit of a shame. I have a few boxes of the French lights from the earlier run in turquoise and hoped the restocks would "match." I did not mind the 7yw prussians redone in a darker prussian blue than the original turquoise as I did not have any boxes from before hand. While I'm not against the new color, for those of us who do not paint majority of our figures it is a bit of a downside. Nonetheless, I intend to purchase the restocks and perhaps paint my older sets... Yes the color of the re-stocks is normally different somehow...I have the same thing but since the quality is the same..I am good...Otherwise the only option is painting!  |
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