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Post by designteam on Aug 6, 2020 23:45:45 GMT
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Post by designteam on Aug 6, 2020 23:47:20 GMT
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Post by designteam on Aug 7, 2020 1:18:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 4:50:57 GMT
Looking good. 👍
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Post by cpn on Aug 7, 2020 6:11:05 GMT
Good morning, Am I dreaming? The masters are all good just go into CAD and then fire!
Also don't be too late to release the Brits along these ones if I may.
Cheers CPN
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Post by waynew on Aug 7, 2020 16:47:04 GMT
Outstanding!
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Post by davidmac on Aug 7, 2020 23:30:12 GMT
I want some!
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Post by minuteman on Aug 8, 2020 5:43:52 GMT
These look very interesting and very good!
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Post by richard on Aug 8, 2020 13:21:25 GMT
Excellent stuff. Is there any plan as to what you would look to design first out of those sets? Also, not sure if it is just me, but those small thumbnails/JPGs don't open.
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Post by igneous on Aug 8, 2020 15:31:20 GMT
yes, jpg.s too small. but i love that i pulled out a magnifying glass and held it up to the monitor for a closer look. a clash of technologies.
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Post by designteam on Aug 8, 2020 16:53:41 GMT
The original arrangement was for 6 sprues for this side: Artillery Cavalry Command Infantry #1 Infantry #2 Continental Dragoons
The first step is to decide what goes in each sprue.
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Post by davidmac on Aug 8, 2020 23:04:06 GMT
If these are the Continental army, what is the distinction between "Cavalry" and "Continental Dragoons"? From the jpgs, it would seem that the troopers are in the one and the horses in the other. Not the usual arrangement of sets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 7:28:53 GMT
The original arrangement was for 6 sprues for this side: Artillery Cavalry Command Infantry #1 Infantry #2 Continental Dragoons The first step is to decide what goes in each sprue. Wait im confused now. Are you putting all those sets in one box?? Or are you releasing them as seperate boxes as normal? The latter surely being the better option as if someone wants build an army, they will have buy units they dont want just to get the ones they do. Releasing each seperately would allow people to buy want they want at the time, while allowing more of the specific set to be represented in their own boxes.
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Post by rahway on Aug 9, 2020 8:56:38 GMT
There are always six figures on a Hat 54MM sprue (with no horses) so the Infantry layout might go as follows: The Maneuver sprue: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 The Firing Line sprue: 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Command: 10, 13, 14, 15, 17 (without Nelson). The last spot could be another 3 or 14. When the little jpgs above were first published on January 19,2011 there were five groups. Artillery Cavalry Command Infantry Infantry 2 During development poses and uniforms changed, as seen in the larger drawings and photos. The little jpgs labeled Continental Dragoons seem to show the updated Cavalry. The original stated intention was to imitate the Army-in-a-Box approach of a long-gone USA toy maker. Since so much has changed at the Hat Toy Soldier Company I really do not know if that is still the current intention.
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Post by paintdog on Aug 9, 2020 10:24:18 GMT
The original stated intention was to imitate the Army-in-a-Box approach of a long-gone USA toy maker. Since so much has changed at the Hat Toy Soldier Company I really do not know if that is still the current intention. It's an intriguing idea. I know if I was starting a new period, I'd want to buy several army boxes to bulk out my army but to finalise the force I wanted, I'd also want access to individual sets eg I have enough cavalry but want more artillery etc
donald
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Post by minuteman on Aug 9, 2020 12:58:35 GMT
To make the 'all six sprues in the box' concept work it would need to recognise the balance of troop types in an 'average' AWI army: therefore, heavily-weighted towards infantry and rarely more than 5 - 10% cavalry and rarely more than 5% artillery. This would mean that in a large box of, say, 100 figures we'd be looking at about 70 infantrymen, 15 infantry command, 5 artillerymen (with one gun) and about 10 cavalry, which might in fact be 7 mounted figures and 3 dismounted skirmishing with standing horses.
This would allow, from just one box, for 4 or 5 infantry units (16-20 figures each, with a few left over...a small rifleman unit perhaps); one artillery unit; and two weak cavalry units (4 or 5 each) or one larger cavalry unit.
All this in one box would be quite outstanding.
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Post by Ironsides on Aug 9, 2020 22:02:05 GMT
The original stated intention was to imitate the Army-in-a-Box approach of a long-gone USA toy maker. Since so much has changed at the Hat Toy Soldier Company I really do not know if that is still the current intention.
That original add artwork was done by Russ Heath sadly he passed away a few years ago:
Still I would like to see it done with this style of artwork as a sampler box or larger army box...
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Post by designteam on Aug 10, 2020 9:00:13 GMT
Which sprue goes into which box is one of the last decisions to be made. The first step is to decide what goes into each sprue. Let's start off with the foot figures. There are 12 figures (not including command). For example the 12 figures can be divided into regular and militia sets (Additional variations can be made by CAD). ------------------------------- Or the 12 figures (plus CAD variants) can be divided into movement (marching and advance) and action sets -------------------------------- Or any other variation thereof. We would like to hear your views on the above!
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Post by minuteman on Aug 10, 2020 10:12:54 GMT
Thank you Design Team. These poses all look perfectly sensible and useable. I assume that figure10 (firing) has a full-length musket with bayonet attached?
Having all figures with bayonets on their firearms is good, and allows some Militia bayonets to be trimmed off to reflect lack of this weapon in some cases. Head swaps will allow a very large scope for variety within units. Perhaps one kneeling pose would be good - figure 7 could be modified to kneeling and priming his weapon, or firing.?
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Post by cpn on Aug 10, 2020 15:10:17 GMT
Hi, Both options are great ideas. Perhaps the advantage of the first option is that the equivalent for the British will be Line infantry and Elites (grenadiers and lights). I agree with Minuteman as to ensure everyone has a bayonet so it easier to remove for those who wants. If you think about adding a couple of heads it might nice as well. Kind regards. CPN
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Post by designteam on Aug 10, 2020 16:34:16 GMT
Thank you Design Team. These poses all look perfectly sensible and useable. I assume that figure10 (firing) has a full-length musket with bayonet attached? That was cropping of the line drawing. Here is figure 10 from the above photos.
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Post by designteam on Aug 10, 2020 16:36:30 GMT
Assuming that a regular and a militia set is what everyone would like, the next step is to decide how many poses of each type should be made for a 12 figure sprue! regular militia (Additional variations can be made by CAD).
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Post by minuteman on Aug 10, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
The 'Regular' set has 3 advancing (2 x marching poses, I x charged bayonet pose) and 3 firing line; figures 1, 3 and 6 go together. If creating a two-deep unit for a wargames unit or three deep for a diorama, then at least two of 6 are required, maybe three. Three, possibly four, of figures 1 and 3 are required. The 'march attack' (figure 1) pose is not especially typical of the War of Independence, so only one of this pose is required. In fact, the pose is so un-typical of American infantry that you might consider replacing with a variation of figure 3, with left hand supporting the butt of the musket and the right hand not across the chest. March attack is typical of the Napoleonic French drill manual, but not necessarily AWI.
The 'Militia' set has 2 advancing (1 x marching, 1 x charged bayonet pose) and 4 firing line; figures 5 and 2 go together, and both can also be used alongside advancing/marching poses in the Regulars set. Figures 4, 11, 7 and 12 constitute a mixed firing line and would go well together. A couple of alternative heads (tricorne. broad-brimmed hat) would enable modellers to add further variety. Two of each on a 12 figure sprue would work well.
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Post by designteam on Aug 10, 2020 20:59:35 GMT
The 'Regular' set has 3 advancing (2 x marching poses, I x charged bayonet pose) and 3 firing line; figures 1, 3 and 6 go together. If creating a two-deep unit for a wargames unit or three deep for a diorama, then at least two of 6 are required, maybe three. Three, possibly four, of figures 1 and 3 are required. The 'march attack' (figure 1) pose is not especially typical of the War of Independence, so only one of this pose is required. In fact, the pose is so un-typical of American infantry that you might consider replacing with a variation of figure 3, with left hand supporting the butt of the musket and the right hand not across the chest. March attack is typical of the Napoleonic French drill manual, but not necessarily AWI.
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Post by designteam on Aug 10, 2020 21:04:28 GMT
The 'Militia' set has 2 advancing (1 x marching, 1 x charged bayonet pose) and 4 firing line; figures 5 and 2 go together, and both can also be used alongside advancing/marching poses in the Regulars set. Figures 4, 11, 7 and 12 constitute a mixed firing line and would go well together. A couple of alternative heads (tricorne. broad-brimmed hat) would enable modellers to add further variety. Two of each on a 12 figure sprue would work well.
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