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Post by richard on Aug 10, 2020 22:45:23 GMT
I agree that separate regular/militia sets are a better concept than MAC for this period. I think there is the question of how many figures you would be looking to have in a box-32/48/60? How many poses per box? Realistically, will it be 6 militia poses, 6 Continental poses or would this be expanded? If it's a 12 figure sprue would you consider making more poses for the sprue-for instance 8 poses with 4 of those doubled up on the sprue to make 12 figures? Or is it set to 6 poses? in which case you might as well just have 2 of each pose to make the 12 figures? But Minuteman's suggestions are all very good if you are sticking to 6 poses. A kneeling pose for the militia would be good.
I'm sure you're already aware, but many people on other forums regularly make the point that they won't buy into a new era unless they know there will be guaranteed opponents. So how ever long into the future the plans are to release these, it would be silly to not have some British released at the same time. Of course I would love to see all sorts of extra sets being made for this era, and I know the other AWI thread has some great suggestions for other sets (French/Hessians/Tarleton's/artilllery etc), but these first sets have got to get people really interested and convinced the era is worth collecting. That hopefully brings commercial success and leads to what we all want-more AWI sets!
Thank you Hat and I look forward to following your progress!
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Post by richard on Aug 10, 2020 22:47:56 GMT
Also, those JPGs you posted with sketches/designs-any chance you could re-post them so they can be opened up rather than having to try and zoom in on the screen?! Thanks!
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Post by designteam on Aug 11, 2020 3:20:22 GMT
Hello! It appears that those pictures were concept pictures left behind from the previous design team. There is only 1 set of cavalry for the Continental side that we can find and the foot figures are different. Also, those JPGs you posted with sketches/designs-any chance you could re-post them so they can be opened up rather than having to try and zoom in on the screen?! Thanks!
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Post by designteam on Aug 11, 2020 3:23:41 GMT
...I think there is the question of how many figures you would be looking to have in a box-32/48/60? How many poses per box? Realistically, will it be 6 militia poses, 6 Continental poses or would this be expanded? If it's a 12 figure sprue would you consider making more poses for the sprue-for instance 8 poses with 4 of those doubled up on the sprue to make 12 figures? Or is it set to 6 poses? in which case you might as well just have 2 of each pose to make the 12 figures? But Minuteman's suggestions are all very good if you are sticking to 6 poses. A kneeling pose for the militia would be good. Hello! Please feel free to post your suggestions here as we are open to ideas.
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Post by cpn on Aug 11, 2020 10:19:29 GMT
Hi, I have to say I am starting to have mix feelings about the marching poses since my current AWI armies are good in term of firing but poor to non existent in regards to marching. So if I look at aupdaring them + create new regiments then having the marching included means fewer available. In that regards having the marching and advancing poses might be my favourite ones now that I put everything into context. The other box Rob the firing+loading lines.
In reagoprs to a prone firing I am not sure since this already exists in a the former sets and risks of removing one the great masters we can see. Of course my main opinion is more a out having these overall super figures eventually delivered and their British counterparts fast enough behind. Thank you for asking. Kind regards. CPN
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 11, 2020 16:25:12 GMT
First off I would like to say that I am only interested in these sets if they are in scale with those produced by Accurate, ACTA, Airfix and Imex. I Will not be interested if they are produced in 1/65 th scale at 26mm tall. I do not contemplate replacing my figures with Hat but rather the Hat figures will compliment those that I already have. For instance the Hat figures in hunting shirts will form units with the two poses already offered by Accurate. Here the inclusixyzn of extra heads or hats would be appreciated to have them all in Tricorns or round hats. I think that the best distribution would be only Militia in 1 box and Regulars in another but quite honestly if they are in scale with my other sets it really would not matter too much to me, just get them out there and on sale.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 18:03:26 GMT
Agree with Malcolm above. Please make sure they are properly in scale. Scale creep is really a pain when someone looks forward to a set, only to see that they are not suitable to go with other figures or even fit in with the scale of all your figures. One manufacturer in particular lost my custom when they started making big ugly giants then slapping 1/72 on the box when the contents is nothing of the sort. However you guys keep us informed as the manufacturing process goes along and show previews so i have more confidence in Hat maintaining scale. I agree also with other comments about releasing a AWI British army alongside these chaps.
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Post by designteam on Aug 11, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
Roger W and Malcolm, thanks so much for your feedback!
Once the figures get to the sizing stage, we will post them here for comparison purposes.
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Post by davidmac on Aug 11, 2020 19:31:16 GMT
As the rifle men (on the Revolutionary side) did not have bayonets, any such figures should not be so equipped.
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Post by cpn on Aug 11, 2020 19:54:06 GMT
As the rifle men (on the Revolutionary side) did not have bayonets, any such figures should not be so equipped. Hello, I haven't spotted any rifleman in the masters and I think they are enough of them with the Imex/Accurate/Revell one. I am very looking forward to not havE to try to stick bayonet once they are molded from the beginning. Kind regards. CPN
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 21:12:34 GMT
Definately bayonets moulded on. Its easier to trim off an unwanted bayonet then it is to attach a wanted one!
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 11, 2020 22:18:38 GMT
I’d Just make two of each pose 48 in a box that’s plenty.i will agree on extra heads tho just to break the units up a bit. If people would like more poses like kneeling maybe design another box for skirmishing at a later date, see how well these sell. I would rather there wasn’t any delay getting them in production seeing as the masters are done by the look of it,which look great by the way I can’t wait to get my hands on some! Now seeing as we’re on the subject of Americans any chance of seeing some 1812 chaps to?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 8:14:17 GMT
I’d Just make two of each pose 48 in a box that’s plenty.i will agree on extra heads tho just to break the units up a bit. If people would like more poses like kneeling maybe design another box for skirmishing at a later date, see how well these sell. I would rather there wasn’t any delay getting them in production seeing as the masters are done by the look of it,which look great by the way I can’t wait to get my hands on some! Now seeing as we’re on the subject of Americans any chance of seeing some 1812 chaps to? If the infantry is to be seperated into a box each for regular and one for militia then yeah, 48 per box would be fine but if its all going to be one box of regulars and militia mixed then id rather see a big box of around 100, like the Napoleonic Nassau, British Peninsular and 1808-1812 French sets for example. Also an 1812 US army would be interesting too.
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Post by photoroman on Aug 12, 2020 13:35:28 GMT
I also advocate the size comparison - as , I believe, we all do. These long awaited figures and meant as an addition to our existing (partly vast) collections.
Besides, I´d prefer, just like the HäT Prussians, set separating between Marching, Action and Command -> even better would be if, just like the the 7 YW Prussians, there´d be several different head types to choose from. This is a unique things that only HäT´s done so far, so keep up the good work!!!!!!!! This should be made the same for Americans and British alike. And if there are enough US poses for Militia Action , Marching etc. and Regulars, then even better :-)
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 12, 2020 20:50:00 GMT
Yes sorry I did mean split into regulars etc not all mixed. I think that may put some people off possibly having to many unwanted figures. Unless you do a big box when all sets are released including brits as a starter set? Like the old battle sets. Then you could add the normal boxes to expand your armies. May even kick start more people into the hobby? 28mm manufacturer’s seem to do ok out of it
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Post by Bcminiatures on Aug 12, 2020 23:55:55 GMT
I like the idea of a split - militia / Continental box idea.
As a gamer, I'd prefer more figs marching than in "action" poses. However the poses you show in the drawing are excellent so there will be few wasted figs whatever you choose to do. As we (my friends and I) would be starting our plastic AWI project from scratch, I echo the comment that we'd like a sense as to when we might see British opponents. AWI is one period where you could cover most contingencies with a handful of boxes. Glad to see progress after all these years.
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Post by designteam on Aug 13, 2020 7:19:48 GMT
Command figures, once again feel free to suggest how you would like to see these figures configured on a sprue:
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Post by designteam on Aug 13, 2020 7:21:34 GMT
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Post by minuteman on Aug 13, 2020 12:47:15 GMT
Both the Command set and the Continental dragoons set look very good.
My only suggestion with the Command set is to add a head option or two, to vary headgear.
My only suggestions with the Dragoons are to add a horse holder (on foot); and an arm with a bugle/horn for the set options. A curved hunting horn would look good.
How many figures are intended in the Dragoons set? I assume 12 horses and 12 men, in which case I assume 6 mounted and 6 dismounted? If so, then would it be possible to have two horse sculpts for the mounted figures (cantering/moving) and two for the standing poses: so, an extra horse sculpt in a different standing pose, perhaps with head down as if about to browse grass? That would make a set with 4 horse poses and 6 figure poses, assuming that the figures on foot are 2 x firing, 2 x at the ready, 2 x horse holders. If the horse holder figure has one optional arm, then it could use any one of the arms given for the mounted ie: left arm is fixed in a position to be holding horse reins; right arm may be holding pistol, sabre, carbine or bugle.
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Post by designteam on Aug 13, 2020 23:50:13 GMT
At this stage we don't think new sculpts will be available, only variants which can be made with CAD.
We plan for a sprue of 12 impressions. 1 man = 1 impression. 1 horse = 2 impressions. So anything with this limit (and possibly some accessories).
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Post by minuteman on Aug 14, 2020 4:56:06 GMT
At this stage we don't think new sculpts will be available, only variants which can be made with CAD. We plan for a sprue of 12 impressions. 1 man = 1 impression. 1 horse = 2 impressions. So anything with this limit (and possibly some accessories). OK, thank you Design Team. My suggestions on the Command and Dragoon sets were points of detail, and the drawings as given will be fine for development as CAD sculpts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 8:35:55 GMT
The command sprue/box i would base on the same format as how you have done your Napoleonic British & French command sets in terms of ratios for each pose. I have found both those sets to serve my regimental commands well.
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Post by richard on Aug 14, 2020 16:50:17 GMT
I think the dragoon set looks good. I like the idea of a horse handler but equally accept that you won't be adding poses to the set.
I think the command set lacks a little bit of ambition. The designs already produced look good and all poses are suitable etc. However, when comparing this set to other command sets there is a difference: AWI Continental command - 5 poses
Imperial Roman command-7 poses Nap French chaussers - 7 poses Nap Prussian command - 9 poses SYW Prussian Command - 6 poses Nap French Command - 6 poses AZW British command - 10 poses Nap Spanish command - 10 poses Nap British command - 6 poses SYW Austrian Command - 6 poses
Would be nice to see a couple more NCO's. However, if you're not going to add poses then that's fair enough! This range should be a success either way!
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Post by cpn on Aug 14, 2020 19:03:44 GMT
Command figures, once again feel free to suggest how you would like to see these figures configured on a sprue: Hello, The big missing piece for Continentals is a fifer, who was part of each company with the drummer. On that that note this only real good point of the Italeri set correctly representing the two musicians of a typical Continentals company. The other thing you might want to change is the sponton shape for the officer. Please have a look at the depiction from the artist Don Troiani to get the right and most common shape. Kind regards. CPN
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Post by Tripod on Aug 15, 2020 0:14:42 GMT
Please ensure that the British command includes the two standard bearers needed fo each unit.
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