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Post by Malcolm on Aug 17, 2020 9:23:04 GMT
With your Continental Dragoons I see that the Foot figures do not wear riding boots. So my question is does this set represent one of the Legions that had both foot and mounted, like ArmandĀ“s Legion, although they wore a helmet that looked like the Tarleton rather than this French influenced helmet worn by the American Light Dragoons. Also, I have noticed that all the figures wear a cartrige box on a waistbelt. For the Foot figures I see no problem but for the mounted figures I would have thought that this would be uncomfortable and that a cartrige box on a crossbelt over the left shoulder and hanging down over the right hip would have been more normal. I do not know much about the American army, so as I have stated I am not sure whether these are Light Dragoons or a Legion. If Dragoons and the fact that the Foot figures do not wear riding boots was there a shortage of horses and many had to fight on foot. Also one last point, I notice that the boots of the Mounted figures are heavy cavalry boots when I thought that the Light Dragoons wore shorter boots like those worn by Hussars?
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 17, 2020 9:28:21 GMT
I have just had a read on PSR about the Italeri set of British Light Dragoons and have discovered that the 17th Light Dragoons also wore their Cartridge Box on a Waistbelt. So I take back my earlier remark.
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Post by minuteman on Aug 17, 2020 22:42:07 GMT
With your Continental Dragoons I see that the Foot figures do not wear riding boots. So my question is does this set represent one of the Legions that had both foot and mounted, like ArmandĀ“s Legion, although they wore a helmet that looked like the Tarleton rather than this French influenced helmet worn by the American Light Dragoons. Also, I have noticed that all the figures wear a cartrige box on a waistbelt. For the Foot figures I see no problem but for the mounted figures I would have thought that this would be uncomfortable and that a cartrige box on a crossbelt over the left shoulder and hanging down over the right hip would have been more normal. I do not know much about the American army, so as I have stated I am not sure whether these are Light Dragoons or a Legion. If Dragoons and the fact that the Foot figures do not wear riding boots was there a shortage of horses and many had to fight on foot. Also one last point, I notice that the boots of the Mounted figures are heavy cavalry boots when I thought that the Light Dragoons wore shorter boots like those worn by Hussars? The point about the boots is a good one, but having had a look at a few references it seems that both the calf-top 'light cavalry' boot (but not hussar-type hessian boot) and a slightly higher boot with a cover over the knee are correct. In 1/72 the latter is easy to convert to a 'light cavalry' boot by simply trimming the top of the boot around the knee. The dismounted figures as shown in the drawings are correct for dismounted order, but clearly cavalry who were mounted and dismounted to skirmish before re-mounting would retain their boots. It does look as if the configuration of leg-wear shown in the drawings is the best compromise within the limits of a single set of figures. The belly box cartridge pouch is also correct, even though (as pointed out by Malcolm) this must have been somewhat uncomfortable when riding. Several of the plates I have in my references show Continental dragoons with a cross-belt over both shoulders. The one crossing over the right shoulder holds the sword scabbard on the left hip. The one over the left shoulder has a carabiner hook to suspend the carbine on the right hip (and also has the cartridge box slung on the trooper's back, again as pointed out by Malcolm). Officers though would only have one cross belt (to suspend the sword). The figures as shown in the drawings have both cross-belts and so are correct, although an officer may have to have his left shoulder belt trimmed off (or painted over). I note that the dismounted figures have only the cross-belt suspending the sword, so have presumably given up the carbine belt as 'not required' in dismounted order. Given the nature of the AWI and the strong likelihood that 'regulation' uniforms would quickly give way to what was most comfortable and practicable, I think what is shown in the drawings is quite accurate and perfectly acceptable.
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Post by davidmac on Aug 18, 2020 13:38:18 GMT
Not to mention that 'regulation' uniforms often gave way to the kit that the new soldier showed up with.
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Post by designteam on Aug 18, 2020 17:04:37 GMT
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Post by davidmac on Aug 19, 2020 0:07:06 GMT
Good artillerists. The gun illustrated looks like a 3# gallopper; I hope there will be a 6# gun also.
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Post by cpn on Aug 19, 2020 6:59:19 GMT
Good artillerists. The gun illustrated looks like a 3# gallopper; I hope there will be a 6# gun also. Hello, The 6 pounder will be with the British artillery. Cheers. CPN
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Post by pll on Aug 19, 2020 10:16:17 GMT
I do hope that we will see these figures in the AWI initiative developed in 1:32 as well as 1:72 - at some stage. Though I suspect that might be well in the future.
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Post by richard on Aug 19, 2020 16:49:29 GMT
These look very good. Is there a British artillery set planned? If there is, then the four poses here are enough as they can mix and match with the British to make full size gun crews. However, if there are only plans for one AWI artillery set, I'd suggest adding a couple more poses as I don't think four is enough. But don't let that take away from the fact that those designs look very good.
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Post by cpn on Aug 19, 2020 17:49:20 GMT
These look very good. Is there a British artillery set planned? If there is, then the four poses here are enough as they can mix and match with the British to make full size gun crews. However, if there are only plans for one AWI artillery set, I'd suggest adding a couple more poses as I don't think four is enough. But don't let that take away from the fact that those designs look very good. Hi, Here are the British masters with the artillery. hat.freeforums.net/attachment/download/434I think we we eventually have everything we need. Cheers CPN
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 20, 2020 7:39:03 GMT
I like the choise of the light 3lb Galloper Gun. I do not believe that it has been made before in 1/72nd scale plastic. Were these pulled by 1 or 2 horses, assuming that the lead horse also mounted the driver?
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Post by mason toy soldiers on Aug 20, 2020 15:43:32 GMT
Are any of these sets for sale yet? Wow they look great
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Post by minuteman on Aug 20, 2020 19:54:08 GMT
I like the choise of the light 3lb Galloper Gun. I do not believe that it has been made before in 1/72nd scale plastic. Were these pulled by 1 or 2 horses, assuming that the lead horse also mounted the driver? The Zvezda Artillery of Peter the Great (for the Great Northern War) has three galloper guns which are excellent little models and perfectly useable as 3 pounder gallopers throughout the C18th, either as they are out of the box or, if preferred, with a slight modification to the mounting. This American artillery set looks very good, and if the British artillery set has a gun on a 'conventional' carriage then we are good to go I think.
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Post by davidmac on Aug 20, 2020 21:48:32 GMT
The light 3 pounder could be pulled by one horse. Source: Grasshoppers and Butterflies: the Light 3 Pounders of Pattison and Townshend. Apparently the whole gun and limber could be carried by 16 men. I like the choise of the light 3lb Galloper Gun. I do not believe that it has been made before in 1/72nd scale plastic. Were these pulled by 1 or 2 horses, assuming that the lead horse also mounted the driver?
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 21, 2020 7:48:05 GMT
Thanks for the information about the Grasshopper guns. I think that the Zvedza GNW model is a very nice model but looks old fashioned and over engineered compared to the AWI model.
One improvement that Hat could make is to include the brackets already attached to the barrel that held the barrel in place on the carriage the same way that Imex did. Admittedly their guns were tiny but maintaining a 4 piece model it has a much better look than the conventional way of making 4 piece models of artillery with the guns just resting on top of the carriage.
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Post by greentiger on Sept 21, 2020 9:15:04 GMT
I can't see any of these for some reason...
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Post by rahway on Sept 21, 2020 15:57:46 GMT
Is the master on the left still around?
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Post by greentiger on Sept 30, 2020 11:05:36 GMT
Yes!I will buy these - my AWI project has been languishing, neglected for some years.
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Post by Libero on Nov 3, 2020 21:01:34 GMT
AWI Sprue Configuration
Dear Design team
Please kindly provide separate figure sets for Regulars and Militia. Can it be possible to configure sets as follows:
Regulars:
Firing & Reloading set Marching & Advancing set
Or
Firing, Reloading & Advancing set Marching set (with variants)
Militia:
Firing & Reloading set
Marching (with variants) & Advancing set
Or
Firing, Reloading & Advancing set
Marching set (with variants)
Extras: Applicable to Regulars & Militia - pose variants, additional masters, optional headgear (with figure heads)
Command set: For Regulars & Militia sets
I feel flexibility of choice of figures is important and integral to how individuals may wish to build their Continental Armies. MAC does enable to allow a good balance between Marching figures and Firing/Reloading lines. (Perhaps a hybrid Marching set adapted to include Advancing figures).
Sprue configuration:
Numbering from line drawings/masters for both Regulars & Militia to identify figure type.
Regulars:
Marching 1 , 3 Advance 6 Raised Musket 8 Reloading 9 Firing 10
Regular sprues:
Marching set figs 1 & 3 8 figures per sprue 4 sprues provides 32 figure box
Action set figs 6, 8, 9 & 10 2 of each figure type 8 figures per sprue 4 sprues provides 32 figure box
OR
Marching/Advancing set
fig 1 x5 figures fig 3 x1 figures fig 6 x2 figures 8 figures per sprue
4 sprues provides 32 figure box
Action set fig 8 x2 figures fig 9 x3 figures fig 10 x3 figures 8 figures per sprue
4 sprues provides 32 figure box
Militia:
Marching 2 Raised Musket 4 Advance 5 Reloading 7 Level Musket 11 Firing 12
Militia sprues:
Marching set fig 2 variants to provide different marching figures 8 figures per sprue
4 sprues provides 32 figure box
Action set fig 4 Raised Musket x1 fig 5 Advance x4 fig 7 Reloading x3 fig 11 Level Musket x1 fig 12 Firing x3 12 figures per sprue 4 sprues provide 48 figure box set Retaining the figure type numbers proposed for the sprue and adding variants to them would be great. For example fig 5 Advance x4 proposed above - lets have differing variants for the x4 advancing fig 5.
OR
Marching/Advancing set fig 2 marching fig march variants fig 5 advancing fig advance variants 32 figure box set to include 16 marching figures 16 advancing figures. 2 boxes will provide 32 marching figures and 32 advancing figures allowing to make a good sized marching unit and a good sized advancing unit.
Action set fig 4 raised musket x1 fig 7 reloading x3 fig 11 level musket x1 fig 12 firing x3 8 figures per sprue 4 sprues provide 32 figure box set. Retaining the figure type numbers proposed for the sprue and adding variants to them would be great.
Thanks for listening HAT/Design team.
Best Regards Libero
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Post by Lunch on Nov 3, 2020 22:05:33 GMT
Lots of very interesting suggestions here!
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Post by davidmac on Nov 4, 2020 19:44:51 GMT
Good artillerists. The gun illustrated looks like a 3# gallopper; I hope there will be a 6# gun also. Hello, The 6 pounder will be with the British artillery. Cheers. CPN Then we'll just have to capture it. Along with the rum ration.
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