What do you think would be the best way to do Napoleonic artillery sets
I would love "Battery" boxes which contain 2 Guns with 6 figs for each, 2 limbers with crews and 2 x 6 horse teams. It would also include spare gun barrels, gabions and a commander for the battery, I used to love this format from other company's in the past.
my other suggestion would be a 24 fig box of gun crew figures which are all different poses with the guns available as a separate box and contains multiple calibers of barrels to expand the use of the box
I think the mac format for figures could be translated into a new format for artillery sets what do you all think?
I like your idea of having more crew members along with limbers. My own preference has been for four to six-gun batteries (that's from my own experience as a gun dog or cannon cocker, if you prefer). But I think a trade off having complete gun sections would be worth fewer guns in a box (after all, for me I can buy more boxes to fill out my preferred arty strength). As I said, I like having complete sections, but I would be willing to trade that off to have more poses if you sold the guns and crews separately.
Only Revell made a truly complete British Arty set; Esci is okay if all you wanted was guns to represent them on a game board but if your rules are strict they are stuck in position without limbers - but four poses and one looking through a spyglass one-handed... ACTA was (notice I say "was" as I'm not sure they're still in production) a great representation of foot arty, but again, no limbers and four poses... Airfix did a pretty good job as far as that's concerned (and this is personal opinion here) but they are a bit dated and undersized and I hated the way they did their horse stands on the limbers. I never could get them to do right - even BEFORE the molds started wearing out.
If Revell sets were more available without having to pawn my mother to get a set I would agree the vacancy could be said to be adequately served. I don't really see that happening. My hopes they were going to release the set a few years back have been dashed. I think new sets of British Foot and Horse Arty might not be at the TOP of a list of new sets, but should be in an upper tier.
As always I suppose it depends what you want to achieve. If you want all gun companies, with no limbers or caissons then current production will suit most requirements.
I have to agree that in the case of the British Artillery the ACTA Foot Artillery set is scarce and the Esci Horse Artillery are, IMHO, too wrong to be used (tailed jacket). In both cases there's no option for those who want limbers.
If you do want limbers with your guns then the Airfix Horse Artillery at least provide one limber to two guns, even if one of those guns is not firing but being reloaded and the style is somewhat dated. The Revell Foot Artillery is well done but again three guns, one Limber so anyone wanting a limber per gun is going to get an awful lot of wastage.
A battery box is a novel idea but with Hat appearing to be reducing the contents of its boxes (Infantry down to 24/20 figures in a set) and Waterloo 1815 already producing small sets I doubt it will ever become reality.
Personally I prefer the Hat French Artillery sets where you can get guns and gunners in one box and limbers/caissons in another. It suits me as I can decide how many support vehicles I put with my guns with little or no waste. However if you are tied to specific requirements in war gaming rules then you might require something different.
Oops sorry I did a search and it led me back here. Sorry about my last post. Being not about art. But I use two gun batteries with 3 gun russian batteries. Most of my guns are hat. But I wish they produced a russian limber and cassion set as well.
I am tired of the minimalistic approach to Artillery where there is usually a crew of 4 to each gun but they are unrelated, having 1 Firing, another loading and maybe a third manhandling the piece. Take a look at the Revell SYW Austrian Artillery. In that set there are enough variety of figures to have 1 gun being fired and the other two being loaded/aimed or manhandled back into position and still with extra Gun Captains. With 2 sets you end up with enough men left over to get a set of Pontooniers. In addition to all this there is a 4 horse limber that has 4 differently posed horse and 2 differently posed drivers.
For the Hat format I would like to see them use the large sprue to have room for 2 guns and 2 crews, one Firing and the other loading with still room for a Gun Captain. If they could make this happen for their planned SYW Prussian Artillery set I would be very happy. As to the guns , take a look at the Imex AWI sets. Although undersized the attachment of the barrel to the gun carriage is much better than the normal way of having it just perched on top.
I'd like to see some Prussian Artillery Limbers and Caissons, they have been on the product list as an "xx" against their number for many years. But I also know there are many other areas of history that are not yet satisfactorily covered.
I would go for 1 complete gun team per box. That is,
* A full crew of at least six men doing crewy things on foot, plus (or including) one figure (mounted if horse arty) that can be used as an officer. * A complete gun, preferably with variant barrels for 6/9/12 pdr or whatever. * A limber with 6-horse team, with full allotment of train crew. * Ammo boxes, stacked ball, buckets, and other typical arty accoutrements.
Especially keen on the limber and accoutrements as it seems these days many manufacturers don't bother producing them, perhaps promting many gamers to field their guns with no horse-teams or just one token team per battery.