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Post by Martin_HY on Apr 17, 2018 5:35:05 GMT
Hi,
Linear A will produce a set called:
Villanovan Culture Warriors 8-6 B.C.
Maybe it's time now for reanimate the set: 8134 Etruscan Army
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Post by paintdog on Apr 17, 2018 7:53:43 GMT
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Post by dannym on Apr 17, 2018 9:51:13 GMT
Hi Martin
I couldn't agree more. In fact I would like to have seen them reanimated 10 years ago.
Every one has their own interest but I'm sure they (and the recalcitrant Spartans) would have been a much better seller than sets like the Von Lettow sets.
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Post by waynew on Apr 17, 2018 16:47:20 GMT
A nice idea, I think; but considering the masters and/or molds were either lost or destroyed (can't remember which) we would be talking about starting all over from scratch after some serious financial losses on the project.
Perhaps they would be a good subject for crowdfunding projects?
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Post by Ortwin on Apr 19, 2018 7:16:59 GMT
Hi,
i also think something like Etruscans (even Samnites, Oscans etc.) would be more usefull than many more Hoplites, which are all -- Hoplites. A lot of Figures can be used for any greeks because look had its fashions, but wasn't static like in "classic" depictions (by th way: there aren't any Hoplites which have Aprons at their shields). New Figures like Etruscans in contrast can be used and combined to widen the range much wider.
Lost molds/masters...hmm, sounds really like a crowdfunding-task.
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Post by Ironsides on Apr 19, 2018 14:23:18 GMT
If I remember right the Etruscan tool was faulty... But I must say I did like the variety of the set.... very Italian. You could use the Zvezda "Spartans" as Etruscan Hoplites... And then theres the Ykreol/Odemars Oscans, which I thought pretty good overall... straight out of "Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars" by Duncan Head, still an excellent guide... They fit well with Hät 8040 Italian Ally Infantry and Hät 8054 Italian Ally Cavalry.... Which together may produce something reasonable... I think this set is likely on my Bucket list though....  |
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Post by Claus E. Füssel on Apr 19, 2018 17:44:52 GMT
A nice idea, I think; but considering the masters and/or molds were either lost or destroyed (can't remember which) we would be talking about starting all over from scratch after some serious financial losses on the project. Perhaps they would be a good subject for crowdfunding projects? Not sure I get the logic on this comment. You already made the research, you have a sculptor familiar with the subject (or at least had 10 years ago), and you have people asking for it frequently. If this was a Nap. set, I bet people would be all over it, demanding this would be made (even if it was just the Danish defenders of Copenhagen, to go with the Rocket Troops)... So explain how financial loss on this set makes you NOT want to complete it? You already lost the money, and starting over, will cost you less than before. |
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Post by waynew on Apr 20, 2018 4:01:17 GMT
A nice idea, I think; but considering the masters and/or molds were either lost or destroyed (can't remember which) we would be talking about starting all over from scratch after some serious financial losses on the project. Perhaps they would be a good subject for crowdfunding projects? Not sure I get the logic on this comment. You already made the research, you have a sculptor familiar with the subject (or at least had 10 years ago), and you have people asking for it frequently. If this was a Nap. set, I bet people would be all over it, demanding this would be made (even if it was just the Danish defenders of Copenhagen, to go with the Rocket Troops)... So explain how financial loss on this set makes you NOT want to complete it? You already lost the money, and starting over, will cost you less than before. Have you never heard the concept of "don't throw good money after bad?" Precisely because they've lost money on this project and I don't know how much more work and money it would take to do the project - so I can't really tell you for sure the why's and wherefores of such a decision. My suggestion wasn't meant as a slam for or against the Etruscan set. Many moons ago when both the Etruscans and Spartans were first floated I was all in for them. Since then, age, time and sheer volume of sets being produced made me rethink my collecting and narrow my focus. As I type this I have literally cases of figures from all eras I've bought over the years waiting for my brush. Some I know I will never get to because I am in my 60s and there's not just enough time left for me on this earth to get to them all. And new sets come out that catch my eye that shove some to the back of the line. Having said that let me tell you I really have no dog in this race (as we say around here). I try not to get my pants in a wad over any set - there are just more important things in life to get upset over. As I grow older that list gets shorter. I no longer collect ancients; I've really debated selling off the untouched sets still in box - I backed off 20th Century conflicts - but I've had no heartburn because there has been a lack of Napoleonic or other 18th & 19th Century sets recently in favor of World War I and Zulu Wars. Actually, it gives me time to catch up on my backlog. I say all this to let you know my suggestion was NOT to slam Etruscans or downplay their importance in the plastic figure scheme of things. It was meant as a helpful suggestion to see your dream come true. You mentioned if they were a Napoleonic set there'd be a cry for them. Perhaps. But let's look at the most recent Napoleonic releases - Prussian Landwehr - waitaminute! It seems to me a WHOLE BUNCH of us Nappie freaks put up our money to see these sets come to fruition. And HOLD IT! WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE BRITISH PENINSULAR CAVALRY! And guess what? Those of us who want to see HaT get back into 1/32 scale figures are doing the same thing with the 7YW Austrians. My point is this - if I have to explain it. Too often we customers want a maker like HaT to gamble THEIR money and THEIR time to give us sets we may or may not buy in quantity enough to support. For all its prolific output, Hat - and other makers these days - tend to be what we call in the USA "Mom and Pop" operations. Their profit margin is narrow (THAT I HAVE learned in my conversations with makers) - they really can't afford to throw large amounts of money after projects. I don't know how much money they lost, on sculpts (that are probably lost) and molds - but I imagine it's in the tens of thousands of USD. I know I can't afford that much money or I'd be doing it myself. At the same time, you mentioned having artists and sculptors who have experience in this subject. We really don't know that, do we? Have you noticed the different styles of HaT sculpts over the years? Could that be because there are different artists doing the work? Could it be they're retired or dead? Or maybe they just don't work with HaT anymore. But Hat COULD go out and hire another artist - again, staring all over again. More time, more money... It's not that easy. So I suggest if we are to help this hobby, which is facing a shrinking market and higher overhead costs, to survive, there may be times we have to put our money where our mouth is if we really want to see this or that set instead of getting snarky. The Nappy and musket folks have. Heck, to see the thing get done I might even throw in a few bucks. I really loved those old sets when they were first proposed. Sorry I ran so long, but hopefully this clearly explains my position on the matter. |
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Post by Graeme on Apr 21, 2018 2:04:26 GMT
Memory is not my strong point but I seem to recall the information we were given on the old HaT forum was that when the Etruscan and Spartan sets got to the test shot stage the moulds failed and couldn't be used. A second attempt to make the sets was made but I think the Etruscan mould failed again (apollogies to HaT if I got that wrong). Actually I thought the Spartan mould had also failed but I see "Spartans 2" on the "What set do you want next" thread.
With three sets of production costs You'd have to wonder if the set would make a profit or even cover costs. Certainly selling the set would reduce losses but making the set would take time and resources. That same time and those same resources could be used to make another set that would make a clear profit.
Claus. I take your point that this can be looked at in a different way. The money has already been lost, nothing will change that so draw a line under it, start from scratch and treat the making of the Etruscans as a completely new project the same as any other. A perfectly valid idea, I just think that Wayne and the other guys are suggesting that crowdfuning might just make it more likely that HaT will do that.
One other possible factor occurs to me. HaT have said they will make sets that have master figures already made first. Suppose the moulds failed because the masters didn't work for the casting process (this is nothing more than speculation on my part). Then this set will not be on the list for the forseeable future because, no masters.
In spite of the negative aspects I think this would be a very interesting set for HaT to make. And if they did make it I'd buy some. But I won't pretend that I'll buy 20 boxes, just an interesting novelty for me.
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Post by Claus E. Füssel on Apr 25, 2018 9:12:21 GMT
Not sure I get the logic on this comment. You already made the research, you have a sculptor familiar with the subject (or at least had 10 years ago), and you have people asking for it frequently. If this was a Nap. set, I bet people would be all over it, demanding this would be made (even if it was just the Danish defenders of Copenhagen, to go with the Rocket Troops)... So explain how financial loss on this set makes you NOT want to complete it? You already lost the money, and starting over, will cost you less than before. Have you never heard the concept of "don't throw good money after bad?" ... Good money after bad? It's not like they are cursed or something. As elegantly put before this post, if you look at it as a new set, with a lot of research already done, it really isn't a bad deal. Obviously the hype was there back then, and people are still clamoring for it, at least every once in a while. So why not? Also if we used the good money after bad analogy, should they ever produce a new set, once one has failed? ... |
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Post by waynew on Apr 25, 2018 19:43:37 GMT
Have you never heard the concept of "don't throw good money after bad?" ... Good money after bad? It's not like they are cursed or something. As elegantly put before this post, if you look at it as a new set, with a lot of research already done, it really isn't a bad deal. Obviously the hype was there back then, and people are still clamoring for it, at least every once in a while. So why not? Also if we used the good money after bad analogy, should they ever produce a new set, once one has failed? ... Why don't you try reading the entire post? Geez... |
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Post by Philotep on May 4, 2018 18:51:49 GMT
An Etruscan Army set (whether old or new) would be a welcome addition to the Ancient Range.
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Post by Claus E. Füssel on May 7, 2018 20:47:47 GMT
Not sure I get the logic on this comment. You already made the research, you have a sculptor familiar with the subject (or at least had 10 years ago), and you have people asking for it frequently. If this was a Nap. set, I bet people would be all over it, demanding this would be made (even if it was just the Danish defenders of Copenhagen, to go with the Rocket Troops)... So explain how financial loss on this set makes you NOT want to complete it? You already lost the money, and starting over, will cost you less than before. Have you never heard the concept of "don't throw good money after bad?" Precisely because they've lost money on this project and I don't know how much more work and money it would take to do the project - so I can't really tell you for sure the why's and wherefores of such a decision. My suggestion wasn't meant as a slam for or against the Etruscan set. Many moons ago when both the Etruscans and Spartans were first floated I was all in for them. Since then, age, time and sheer volume of sets being produced made me rethink my collecting and narrow my focus. As I type this I have literally cases of figures from all eras I've bought over the years waiting for my brush. Some I know I will never get to because I am in my 60s and there's not just enough time left for me on this earth to get to them all. And new sets come out that catch my eye that shove some to the back of the line. Having said that let me tell you I really have no dog in this race (as we say around here). I try not to get my pants in a wad over any set - there are just more important things in life to get upset over. As I grow older that list gets shorter. I no longer collect ancients; I've really debated selling off the untouched sets still in box - I backed off 20th Century conflicts - but I've had no heartburn because there has been a lack of Napoleonic or other 18th & 19th Century sets recently in favor of World War I and Zulu Wars. Actually, it gives me time to catch up on my backlog. I say all this to let you know my suggestion was NOT to slam Etruscans or downplay their importance in the plastic figure scheme of things. It was meant as a helpful suggestion to see your dream come true. You mentioned if they were a Napoleonic set there'd be a cry for them. Perhaps. But let's look at the most recent Napoleonic releases - Prussian Landwehr - waitaminute! It seems to me a WHOLE BUNCH of us Nappie freaks put up our money to see these sets come to fruition. And HOLD IT! WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE BRITISH PENINSULAR CAVALRY! And guess what? Those of us who want to see HaT get back into 1/32 scale figures are doing the same thing with the 7YW Austrians. My point is this - if I have to explain it. Too often we customers want a maker like HaT to gamble THEIR money and THEIR time to give us sets we may or may not buy in quantity enough to support. For all its prolific output, Hat - and other makers these days - tend to be what we call in the USA "Mom and Pop" operations. Their profit margin is narrow (THAT I HAVE learned in my conversations with makers) - they really can't afford to throw large amounts of money after projects. I don't know how much money they lost, on sculpts (that are probably lost) and molds - but I imagine it's in the tens of thousands of USD. I know I can't afford that much money or I'd be doing it myself. At the same time, you mentioned having artists and sculptors who have experience in this subject. We really don't know that, do we? Have you noticed the different styles of HaT sculpts over the years? Could that be because there are different artists doing the work? Could it be they're retired or dead? Or maybe they just don't work with HaT anymore. But Hat COULD go out and hire another artist - again, staring all over again. More time, more money... It's not that easy. So I suggest if we are to help this hobby, which is facing a shrinking market and higher overhead costs, to survive, there may be times we have to put our money where our mouth is if we really want to see this or that set instead of getting snarky. The Nappy and musket folks have. Heck, to see the thing get done I might even throw in a few bucks. I really loved those old sets when they were first proposed. Sorry I ran so long, but hopefully this clearly explains my position on the matter. Right, so you asked me to read you entire message, and lo and behold I have. Firstly, if they had decided that they wanted to make a set of etruscans they should follow through. Not only because they already made the decision that this set was going to make them money (if they hadn't made that decision, why start at all), but also because of consumer confidence. Right now the consumer confidence for HaT when it comes to ancients is very small. They did not follow through on several ancient sets, and the ones they did follow through on took years (more than 3) to complete (I am looking at you sassanids). The suggestion that I and other ancient collectors don't have BOXES upon BOXES of figures they haven't painted up is laughable. I have more than I'd like to think about, and just like you I want more. I have so many cases of unfinished stuff that I most likely won't be able to finish it in my lifetime either. So stop that comparison right there, and stick to the subject. Also the idea that we (the ancient collectors) should band together and "force" HaT into action is laughable. Why? Because HaT unwisely has chosen to crowdfund sets that get the most backing. This means hordes of Napoleonic sets. And the idea (that you imply) that I have not participated in any crowdfunding is plain wrong, as I was one of the first to back the Zulu project, because it would allow me to make some generic africans with spears. So don't come here and patronize me about that. So, did that clear up a few things for you. We, the ancients collectors, are being ignored (or at least feel ignored) because of the way crowdfunding sets are chosen, and we cannot get HaT to produce the sets we want, or so it seems, cause they are a "moms and pops" operation. And when we try to come in and say, this is a problem, people like you (who have no interest in ancients) beat us down saying we should just crowd-fund. Is it any wonder we are putting our wallets where our mouths are and buying sets from other manufacturers, who don't seem to have this: we produce the things that are the most popular attitude. |
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Post by waynew on May 7, 2018 22:41:17 GMT
Have you never heard the concept of "don't throw good money after bad?" Precisely because they've lost money on this project and I don't know how much more work and money it would take to do the project - so I can't really tell you for sure the why's and wherefores of such a decision. My suggestion wasn't meant as a slam for or against the Etruscan set. Many moons ago when both the Etruscans and Spartans were first floated I was all in for them. Since then, age, time and sheer volume of sets being produced made me rethink my collecting and narrow my focus. As I type this I have literally cases of figures from all eras I've bought over the years waiting for my brush. Some I know I will never get to because I am in my 60s and there's not just enough time left for me on this earth to get to them all. And new sets come out that catch my eye that shove some to the back of the line. Having said that let me tell you I really have no dog in this race (as we say around here). I try not to get my pants in a wad over any set - there are just more important things in life to get upset over. As I grow older that list gets shorter. I no longer collect ancients; I've really debated selling off the untouched sets still in box - I backed off 20th Century conflicts - but I've had no heartburn because there has been a lack of Napoleonic or other 18th & 19th Century sets recently in favor of World War I and Zulu Wars. Actually, it gives me time to catch up on my backlog. I say all this to let you know my suggestion was NOT to slam Etruscans or downplay their importance in the plastic figure scheme of things. It was meant as a helpful suggestion to see your dream come true. You mentioned if they were a Napoleonic set there'd be a cry for them. Perhaps. But let's look at the most recent Napoleonic releases - Prussian Landwehr - waitaminute! It seems to me a WHOLE BUNCH of us Nappie freaks put up our money to see these sets come to fruition. And HOLD IT! WE DID THE SAME THING FOR THE BRITISH PENINSULAR CAVALRY! And guess what? Those of us who want to see HaT get back into 1/32 scale figures are doing the same thing with the 7YW Austrians. My point is this - if I have to explain it. Too often we customers want a maker like HaT to gamble THEIR money and THEIR time to give us sets we may or may not buy in quantity enough to support. For all its prolific output, Hat - and other makers these days - tend to be what we call in the USA "Mom and Pop" operations. Their profit margin is narrow (THAT I HAVE learned in my conversations with makers) - they really can't afford to throw large amounts of money after projects. I don't know how much money they lost, on sculpts (that are probably lost) and molds - but I imagine it's in the tens of thousands of USD. I know I can't afford that much money or I'd be doing it myself. At the same time, you mentioned having artists and sculptors who have experience in this subject. We really don't know that, do we? Have you noticed the different styles of HaT sculpts over the years? Could that be because there are different artists doing the work? Could it be they're retired or dead? Or maybe they just don't work with HaT anymore. But Hat COULD go out and hire another artist - again, staring all over again. More time, more money... It's not that easy. So I suggest if we are to help this hobby, which is facing a shrinking market and higher overhead costs, to survive, there may be times we have to put our money where our mouth is if we really want to see this or that set instead of getting snarky. The Nappy and musket folks have. Heck, to see the thing get done I might even throw in a few bucks. I really loved those old sets when they were first proposed. Sorry I ran so long, but hopefully this clearly explains my position on the matter. Right, so you asked me to read you entire message, and lo and behold I have. Firstly, if they had decided that they wanted to make a set of etruscans they should follow through. Not only because they already made the decision that this set was going to make them money (if they hadn't made that decision, why start at all), but also because of consumer confidence. Right now the consumer confidence for HaT when it comes to ancients is very small. They did not follow through on several ancient sets, and the ones they did follow through on took years (more than 3) to complete (I am looking at you sassanids). The suggestion that I and other ancient collectors don't have BOXES upon BOXES of figures they haven't painted up is laughable. I have more than I'd like to think about, and just like you I want more. I have so many cases of unfinished stuff that I most likely won't be able to finish it in my lifetime either. So stop that comparison right there, and stick to the subject. Also the idea that we (the ancient collectors) should band together and "force" HaT into action is laughable. Why? Because HaT unwisely has chosen to crowdfund sets that get the most backing. This means hordes of Napoleonic sets. And the idea (that you imply) that I have not participated in any crowdfunding is plain wrong, as I was one of the first to back the Zulu project, because it would allow me to make some generic africans with spears. So don't come here and patronize me about that. So, did that clear up a few things for you. We, the ancients collectors, are being ignored (or at least feel ignored) because of the way crowdfunding sets are chosen, and we cannot get HaT to produce the sets we want, or so it seems, cause they are a "moms and pops" operation. And when we try to come in and say, this is a problem, people like you (who have no interest in ancients) beat us down saying we should just crowd-fund. Is it any wonder we are putting our wallets where our mouths are and buying sets from other manufacturers, who don't seem to have this: we produce the things that are the most popular attitude. Claus, I can't believe you are still trying to ride this dead horse. How long did my explanation of my previous post go without a response? I am still trying to figure out how you took offense at anything I've said. 1) I can't speak as to HaT's reliability or lack thereof where Ancients are concerned. It's no skin off my back whether they make them or not - as I said, I have more than enough to keep me busy for a lifetime and that has nothing to do with you or anyone else, nor was it meant to be and I don't get where you took that comment personal. It was an attempt to let you know it wasn't personal. 2) My suggestion to recommend a crowdfund project was meant as a helpful suggestion - I will be polite as to my suggestions as to what you can do if you took it otherwise. I only got my hackles up when you seemed to take it as some sort of personal affront. I made no comment as to whether you participated in any crowdfunding projects as I didn't know and had no way of knowing, nor could I care less. My point, which I believe is valid, is that if enough Ancient fans got together maybe you could get it off the ground and I think I wished you best. 3) As far as being cleared up - I could care less. You feel you ancient collectors are being ignored by HaT? Well, I'm sorry about that. Since when is a valid suggestion - one that has worked for other projects - considered a beat-down? We are obviously having a failure to communicate here. |
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Post by Ortwin on May 11, 2018 10:29:01 GMT
Right, so you asked me to read you entire message, and lo and behold I have. Firstly, if they had decided that they wanted to make a set of etruscans they should follow through. Not only because they already made the decision that this set was going to make them money (if they hadn't made that decision, why start at all), but also because of consumer confidence. Right now the consumer confidence for HaT when it comes to ancients is very small. They did not follow through on several ancient sets, and the ones they did follow through on took years (more than 3) to complete (I am looking at you sassanids). The suggestion that I and other ancient collectors don't have BOXES upon BOXES of figures they haven't painted up is laughable. I have more than I'd like to think about, and just like you I want more. I have so many cases of unfinished stuff that I most likely won't be able to finish it in my lifetime either. So stop that comparison right there, and stick to the subject. Also the idea that we (the ancient collectors) should band together and "force" HaT into action is laughable. Why? Because HaT unwisely has chosen to crowdfund sets that get the most backing. This means hordes of Napoleonic sets. And the idea (that you imply) that I have not participated in any crowdfunding is plain wrong, as I was one of the first to back the Zulu project, because it would allow me to make some generic africans with spears. So don't come here and patronize me about that. So, did that clear up a few things for you. We, the ancients collectors, are being ignored (or at least feel ignored) because of the way crowdfunding sets are chosen, and we cannot get HaT to produce the sets we want, or so it seems, cause they are a "moms and pops" operation. And when we try to come in and say, this is a problem, people like you (who have no interest in ancients) beat us down saying we should just crowd-fund. Is it any wonder we are putting our wallets where our mouths are and buying sets from other manufacturers, who don't seem to have this: we produce the things that are the most popular attitude. Claus, I can't believe you are still trying to ride this dead horse. How long did my explanation of my previous post go without a response? I am still trying to figure out how you took offense at anything I've said. 1) I can't speak as to HaT's reliability or lack thereof where Ancients are concerned. It's no skin off my back whether they make them or not - as I said, I have more than enough to keep me busy for a lifetime and that has nothing to do with you or anyone else, nor was it meant to be and I don't get where you took that comment personal. It was an attempt to let you know it wasn't personal. 2) My suggestion to recommend a crowdfund project was meant as a helpful suggestion - I will be polite as to my suggestions as to what you can do if you took it otherwise. I only got my hackles up when you seemed to take it as some sort of personal affront. I made no comment as to whether you participated in any crowdfunding projects as I didn't know and had no way of knowing, nor could I care less. My point, which I believe is valid, is that if enough Ancient fans got together maybe you could get it off the ground and I think I wished you best. 3) As far as being cleared up - I could care less. You feel you ancient collectors are being ignored by HaT? Well, I'm sorry about that. Since when is a valid suggestion - one that has worked for other projects - considered a beat-down? We are obviously having a failure to communicate here.
And after some more time i'm coming again - sorry.
I have just a maybe silly question from an interested, but not really "skilled" collector: Am i wrong, it's not me who can start a crowdfunding, this is up to HäT? But how can i get that started, because i would led my money lie, i haven't just the opportunity.
Thanks.
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Post by waynew on May 13, 2018 5:26:48 GMT
Claus, I can't believe you are still trying to ride this dead horse. How long did my explanation of my previous post go without a response? I am still trying to figure out how you took offense at anything I've said. 1) I can't speak as to HaT's reliability or lack thereof where Ancients are concerned. It's no skin off my back whether they make them or not - as I said, I have more than enough to keep me busy for a lifetime and that has nothing to do with you or anyone else, nor was it meant to be and I don't get where you took that comment personal. It was an attempt to let you know it wasn't personal. 2) My suggestion to recommend a crowdfund project was meant as a helpful suggestion - I will be polite as to my suggestions as to what you can do if you took it otherwise. I only got my hackles up when you seemed to take it as some sort of personal affront. I made no comment as to whether you participated in any crowdfunding projects as I didn't know and had no way of knowing, nor could I care less. My point, which I believe is valid, is that if enough Ancient fans got together maybe you could get it off the ground and I think I wished you best. 3) As far as being cleared up - I could care less. You feel you ancient collectors are being ignored by HaT? Well, I'm sorry about that. Since when is a valid suggestion - one that has worked for other projects - considered a beat-down? We are obviously having a failure to communicate here.
And after some more time i'm coming again - sorry.
I have just a maybe silly question from an interested, but not really "skilled" collector: Am i wrong, it's not me who can start a crowdfunding, this is up to HäT? But how can i get that started, because i would led my money lie, i haven't just the opportunity.
Thanks.
No problem; I'm not an expert on the subject myself - but I would think if we could get enough interest shown in the project it might persuade our friends at HaT to get it off the ground. I know the Etruscans and Spartans are sets that have come up frequently on the forum. I can understand if HaT doesn't want to revisit the thing after so much trouble, but it doesn't hurt for the customers to ask, I think. Perhaps start a thread or use this one to gauge genuine interest in a crowdfund project and then see if HaT finds it practical. Again, we don't know how much of the previous work remains with all that has passed these past few years. Then again, I've been lobbying for Pommeranian Piccolo Players for over twenty years...  |
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Post by paintdog on May 14, 2018 5:26:50 GMT
I think crowdfunding is an excellent idea. Count me in......then I'd have something to put into my two empty Hat Etruscan boxes.
Donald
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Post by Ortwin on May 15, 2018 10:51:03 GMT
oh, that way - it sounds logic and easy, so thanks waynew! I'll use this thread: "HäT, please count me to the supplicants! My army is too greek, when i saw the figures, i hoped i'll be able to fresh them up."
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