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Post by Stan on Jul 8, 2019 13:44:24 GMT
Here my strongest desire and a plea to inspire HaT for the next 1/32 infantry set after the Napoleonic Austrians! Because If you have Austrian Infantry we need French Line Infantry!
I have just received the test sprue of the SYW Austrians in 1/32...The figures look splendid and it makes me over excited that HaT is also planning 1/32 NAPOLEONIC Austrians! With that...My wildest dream in 1/32-54mm steps forward again! I will tell you a story...It all started...Long ago, I will take you back to the year 2010... Back then, there still was a 1/32 separate forum...For me, it still is a treasure although the blog is archived I like to visit it once in a while! In October 2010 HaT posted images of Masters of 1/32 French Line Infantry in Pre-Bardin and in Bardin Uniform for campaigns such as Waterloo. Now the last one is carried out in 1/72 scale. It is the Pre Bardin Figures that I still dream of, there is no other company who made them. There are the Italeri 1/32 1805 figures which are sold out (COMPLETELY DEADSTOCK) since a long time and that set contains mainly odd posses. The Armies in Plastic figures are only elites...So no competition there!  (Image source: 132hatblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/napoleonic-french.html) I think HaT would do a great job making these also this set would sell well I believe!; As the images showing below, the sets would come (was the plan) With Shako's, Bicorne, Tarleton Helmet and forage caps/bonnet de Police! To me, this sounds terrific! This allows you to make Revolutionary wars Demi-Brigades up to French Line Infantry going into Russia still wearing the Habite longue or the French fighting in 1809 in the Campaign of the Danube, 1805 at the Battle of Austerlitz...Everything we want!   (Source: 132hatblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/pre-bardin-marching-french.html) Also, check out HaT's masters for 1/32 French Line infantry 1815! They look great too but the Pre-Bardin are more necessary in my opinion! This is all I need! And I think everyone gaming, collecting, painting or playing with Napoleonic 1/32 figures! Except for if you wan't to fight Napoleonic battles without French infantry?.. 1815 French -> 132hatblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/1815-french.html
Well, this was my plea! Maybe you are not into 1/32 and you are thinking...Why bother? Well, if you are collecting 1/72 or HO...Think for a second about how many different types of French Infantry already HAT only has produced!...Then realise that there is no decent set of Napoleonic French Line infantry in 1/32 scale! Not a set in Pre-Bardin except a set that is sold out!
For the Bardin there are the ex-force which are expensive and come only in a box of nine plus they are a lot bigger then all other manufactures! So imagine there would be no French Line infantry in 1/72..!
So far my plea, I hope this helps and I hope it inspires the HaT team that is putting up great work lately! Stan
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Post by pinotnoir on Jul 10, 2019 2:31:14 GMT
To match the Prussians I'd like to see line in greatcoats w/o epaulettes and covered shakos. Campaign uniform w/covered shako if we are really dreaming big.
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Post by greentiger on Jul 10, 2019 9:03:14 GMT
Be a useful set...
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Post by Stan on Jul 15, 2019 14:16:21 GMT
To match the Prussians I'd like to see line in greatcoats w/o epaulettes and covered shakos. Campaign uniform w/covered shako if we are really dreaming big. A coverd shako is easy to make with some greenstuff ;-) |
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Post by Stan on Jul 15, 2019 14:17:14 GMT
To match the Prussians I'd like to see line in greatcoats w/o epaulettes and covered shakos. Campaign uniform w/covered shako if we are really dreaming big. A coverd shako is easy to make with some greenstuff ;-) Yes I really feel so! I would buy enormous amounts of these figures :-) |
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Post by quarion on Jul 22, 2019 12:32:42 GMT
Indeed great idea! You're right, Italeri 1805 French Infantry is completly out of stock now. I have one box bought I think more than ten years ago! They are made of good quality plastic but poses don't satisfies me. You can take a look at Victrix figures which made Voltigeurs and Grenadiers sets. Pre-Bardin in shakos but without bicorns. They are great sculpted and have crispy details but every figure need assemble.
For me its very sad that HaT French Light Infantry sets are now nearly impossible to get. Generally its now hard to collect complete French Army in 1/32.
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Post by Stan on Jul 22, 2019 16:51:04 GMT
Indeed great idea! You're right, Italeri 1805 French Infantry is completly out of stock now. I have one box bought I think more than ten years ago! They are made of good quality plastic but poses don't satisfies me. You can take a look at Victrix figures which made Voltigeurs and Grenadiers sets. Pre-Bardin in shakos but without bicorns. They are great sculpted and have crispy details but every figure need assemble. For me its very sad that HaT French Light Infantry sets are now nearly impossible to get. Generally its now hard to collect complete French Army in 1/32. Yes indeed! Indeed it is hard to collect any French in this scale at the moment! I have about 6 or seven boxes of the Italeri but there are too many kneeling figures for example which is very uncommon for french Line infantry! I now the Victrix figures but I allready have too many Elite figures..It is hard to have decent ''Jean Jeans'' or fusiliers ;-) the simple food for the canons! The French light infantry sets will be restocked somewhere this year! And Welcome on the forum quarion! :-) |
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Post by quarion on Jul 23, 2019 10:24:34 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me, Stan! Then I'm waiting for that French Light Infantry restock and hope they will be available in my country! You're right, fusiliers are only available in late uniforms. For example A Call to Arms or Expeditionary Force sets. But they are completly not compatible for me because first set have very tiny figures and Expeditionary Force are closer to 60mm. You can strap off epaulettes from Victrix if crossed belts don't bother you very much but better solution will be another great set from HaT with this French Infantry!
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Post by rbhjr on Jul 24, 2019 0:51:09 GMT
Indeed great idea! You're right, Italeri 1805 French Infantry is completly out of stock now. I have one box bought I think more than ten years ago! They are made of good quality plastic but poses don't satisfies me. You can take a look at Victrix figures which made Voltigeurs and Grenadiers sets. Pre-Bardin in shakos but without bicorns. They are great sculpted and have crispy details but every figure need assemble. For me its very sad that HaT French Light Infantry sets are now nearly impossible to get. Generally its now hard to collect complete French Army in 1/32. There are new Chinese copies of the Italeri 1/32 1798-1805 French infantry; www.toysoldierco.com/French-Infantry-1798-1805---A-TSC-Exclusive---Chinese-copies/Product.aspx?ProductID=20839&DeptID=553&AssocDeptID=3 |
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Post by pinotnoir on Jul 24, 2019 1:38:46 GMT
Appear to have all the 1/32 Bavarian and Wurttemburg sets at Scale Hobbyist. Hobby Linc has the elites in greatcoats. All of the superb Light Infantry seem to be out of stock. ACTA line and lights are widely available, look like Marie Louises next to HaT. Armies in plastic have napoleonics as well, crude and clunky next to HaT. Artillery crews can be made of infantry figures, some great examples of Prussian and Bavarian crews on this site. I used AIP for my French arty. Cavalry is a big shortfall. I buy timpo recasts (Toy soldier company) put them on HaT dragoon horses and substitute HaT infantry heads. Perhaps one day the 3 ups from the 1/72 HaT cavalry can be used for 1/32. Recent command sets have had some beautiful mounted officers.
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Post by Stan on Jul 24, 2019 9:14:44 GMT
Thanks for welcoming me, Stan! Then I'm waiting for that French Light Infantry restock and hope they will be available in my country! You're right, fusiliers are only available in late uniforms. For example A Call to Arms or Expeditionary Force sets. But they are completly not compatible for me because first set have very tiny figures and Expeditionary Force are closer to 60mm. You can strap off epaulettes from Victrix if crossed belts don't bother you very much but better solution will be another great set from HaT with this French Infantry! Hi Quarion! Always nice to meet someone interested in the same scale AND same period of history! I fully share your opinion although I do believe people come in all different shapes and sizes...With these figures, it does not add up! Also Had made so far all figures that mainly cover the period of 1808 to 1812 and if you are not too critical also 1813.. (I think the Prussians are more 1813-1815 oriented) so therefor pre -Bardin or pre 1812 regulation French Line Infantry should be a basic need in the range :-) I would curious to know this sounds for HaT and if they have specific reasons to do or not do this(these)set(s). |
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Post by Stan on Jul 24, 2019 9:17:53 GMT
Indeed great idea! You're right, Italeri 1805 French Infantry is completly out of stock now. I have one box bought I think more than ten years ago! They are made of good quality plastic but poses don't satisfies me. You can take a look at Victrix figures which made Voltigeurs and Grenadiers sets. Pre-Bardin in shakos but without bicorns. They are great sculpted and have crispy details but every figure need assemble. For me its very sad that HaT French Light Infantry sets are now nearly impossible to get. Generally its now hard to collect complete French Army in 1/32. There are new Chinese copies of the Italeri 1/32 1798-1805 French infantry; www.toysoldierco.com/French-Infantry-1798-1805---A-TSC-Exclusive---Chinese-copies/Product.aspx?ProductID=20839&DeptID=553&AssocDeptID=3Yes, I saw the blue copies but the argument of Quarion about the poses is not gone with that! Nevertheless, I might add some of those copies to my Italeri French to compare them and they might be handy for conversions...But still, I keep my fingers crossed for a HAT set since I know HAT will do the best job we can think of! :-) Great to see this Post coming alive! |
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Post by quarion on Jul 24, 2019 11:28:11 GMT
I also don't have anything against mixing troops from different sets and different makers but personally it bother me when musket of one soldier is half of the size of another one. Then it looks like something is going wrong. But its acceptable when it comes to different proportions or height of humans.
How about the quality of that Chinese copies of Italeri French Infantry? I find also Italeri British Infantry in red plastic in 1/32 but never seen the original Italeri set of this one. Do you know something about that?
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Post by quarion on Jul 24, 2019 11:36:16 GMT
Appear to have all the 1/32 Bavarian and Wurttemburg sets at Scale Hobbyist. Hobby Linc has the elites in greatcoats. All of the superb Light Infantry seem to be out of stock. ACTA line and lights are widely available, look like Marie Louises next to HaT. Armies in plastic have napoleonics as well, crude and clunky next to HaT. Artillery crews can be made of infantry figures, some great examples of Prussian and Bavarian crews on this site. I used AIP for my French arty. Cavalry is a big shortfall. I buy timpo recasts (Toy soldier company) put them on HaT dragoon horses and substitute HaT infantry heads. Perhaps one day the 3 ups from the 1/72 HaT cavalry can be used for 1/32. Recent command sets have had some beautiful mounted officers.
Yeah, now its not only a problem with French Light Infantry availability but with the whole Napoleonic Cavalry sets since Italeri stopped production and stores are completly out of stock. There are Expeditionary Force Cavalry sets but personally I think they are too expensive for only five soldiers. HaT seems to don't like Cavalry sets in 1/32. Only one made years ago is French Dragoons set and I don't like that funny looking horses! |
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Post by rbhjr on Oct 9, 2019 3:29:11 GMT
Appear to have all the 1/32 Bavarian and Wurttemburg sets at Scale Hobbyist. Hobby Linc has the elites in greatcoats. All of the superb Light Infantry seem to be out of stock. ACTA line and lights are widely available, look like Marie Louises next to HaT. Armies in plastic have napoleonics as well, crude and clunky next to HaT. Artillery crews can be made of infantry figures, some great examples of Prussian and Bavarian crews on this site. I used AIP for my French arty. Cavalry is a big shortfall. I buy timpo recasts (Toy soldier company) put them on HaT dragoon horses and substitute HaT infantry heads. Perhaps one day the 3 ups from the 1/72 HaT cavalry can be used for 1/32. Recent command sets have had some beautiful mounted officers.
Yeah, now its not only a problem with French Light Infantry availability but with the whole Napoleonic Cavalry sets since Italeri stopped production and stores are completly out of stock. There are Expeditionary Force Cavalry sets but personally I think they are too expensive for only five soldiers. HaT seems to don't like Cavalry sets in 1/32. Only one made years ago is French Dragoons set and I don't like that funny looking horses! That leaves your French Cav options to; Armies in Plastic: lancers & hussars A Call to Arms: Dragoons, Curassiers Carbiniers Timpo: 1 pose each of; lancers, hussars, cheveuxlegers, dragoons Reamsa; 1 pose each of; dragoon, carbinier, cuirassier & hussar Dulcop; 1 pose each of; dragoon, infantry officer, gren officer/guard gendarmes, lancers, Napoleon & 2 hussar poses. Expeditionary force: expensive |
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Post by quarion on Oct 9, 2019 12:48:40 GMT
Yeah, I know, rbhjr... Fortunately I have some Italeri cavalry sets lying in the drawer for almost ten years still waiting for me!
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2019 9:42:07 GMT
I saw on Stadsstuff (https://www.stadsstuff.com/?p=16564) in the comments below by James Henry that Ex force will soon be releasing Polish lancers but also French pre barding infantry... Things we brought up earlier and already many times...It feels like another missed chance yet it is still not too late. I would still prefer HaT figures over ex Force ones. It is clear that the demand is there for the 1/32 Napoleonic range (look at the restocks of the French light) but there is very little offer. And in order to be visible, I think there should not be such a huge gap in between product releases. All said with the best of means, I just try to figure out what is happening in the production process. Can we get an update from Forum Admin? www.stadsstuff.com/?p=16564 (and scroll below). All the best, Stan |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 11:35:45 GMT
Pre-Bardin French does seem an obvious and most useful addition to fill a current, glaring gap in 1/32. Those masters are... masterful too!
They would not only give the coming Austrians an opponent, but also make the current Wurttembergers and Bavarians more relevant. They can take on the current Russians too.
Perhaps following the SYW and Napoleonic Austrians? Mid to late 2020 could be achievable...?
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Post by Stan on Dec 3, 2019 7:37:57 GMT
Pre-Bardin French does seem an obvious and most useful addition to fill a current, glaring gap in 1/32. Those masters are... masterful too! They would not only give the coming Austrians an opponent, but also make the current Wurttembergers and Bavarians more relevant. They can take on the current Russians too. Perhaps following the SYW and Napoleonic Austrians? Mid to late 2020 could be achievable...? Spot on James! They fit most of the produced HaT sets so far and indeed that gap needs to be filled in! I would love to see them after the Austrians! Mine ninth set of Italeri French just arrived this week yet they I really want the pre bardin as shown above to hit the market! |
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