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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Dec 16, 2017 14:19:31 GMT
Hi Hat,
Any news when these sets will be hitting the stores in the uk, It looks like your sets along with those of another company will be gracing our war game tables soon. Just like buses all sets turn up at the same time i hope.
thanks in advance
Allan
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Post by Forum Admin on Dec 16, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
This information will be released when available.
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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Dec 16, 2017 18:40:57 GMT
Thank you,
Hopefully some good news soon. 2018 is looking like a good year for Napoleonic fans.
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Post by steve on Dec 16, 2017 21:02:43 GMT
The other manufacturer is also releasing Prussian Landwehr sets probably at least three sets maybe four, better get a move on Hat if their sets are out first It will hit sales. They are also planning some nappy French sets with both line & Imperial guard sets in the pipeline its going to be a great Napoleonic new year with another manufacturer(Redbox) releasing four sets of Russians as well. I will buy your sets Hat & all the others as well because I'm a greedy so & so. |
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Post by Edwardian on Dec 17, 2017 11:07:59 GMT
The other manufacturer is also releasing Prussian Landwehr sets probably at least three sets maybe four, better get a move on Hat if their sets are out first It will hit sales. They are also planning some nappy French sets with both line & Imperial guard sets in the pipeline its going to be a great Napoleonic new year with another manufacturer(Redbox) releasing four sets of Russians as well. I will buy your sets Hat & all the others as well because I'm a greedy so & so. I assume you are referring to the so-called HaT "secret sets", which, apparently, are listed on the sides of the boxes but are neither featured on the HaT web-site nor, indeed, on PSR.
I haven't checked on the last HaT box I ordered, but, according to a post on Benno's forum yesterday, the list is:
168 Landwehr on the March
169 Landwehr Standing at Ease
170 Old Guard Standing at Ease
171 Old Guard at Attention
I post this for the benefit of the curious, because it actually took me some time to find what it was you were on about. So now I can at least save anyone else as ignorant as me the bother!
I note there is no mention of "French Line", so if you know something further, please share.
Prussian Landwehr
I can see how this fits with HaT's the British, Highland and Polish sets. However, I really cannot see the need for another manufacturer to producing further Prussian Landwehr sets given what HaT has is producing.
The same would be true if HaT were to announce Prussian Regulars (though a marching Reserve Infantry set would be nice!).
As a footnote, according to PSR, Waterloo 1815 is, apparently, planning a set entitled "Prussian Army and High Staff 1813-15", though there is no mention of Landwehr and, if I were cynical, I might guess that it was simply be a re-boxing of its Prussian Infantry set, with the 3 Italeri figures from its British & Prussian General Staff set as the "High Staff", with some of Waterloo 1815's own Prussian hussars thrown in. On the other hand, it could include Landwehr as part of a re-issue of Italeri's mixed Prussian Infantry set, but these figures really have little to recommend them, IMHO.
I never bothered with either set; the Italeri staff set was so padded out with second-rate cavalry figures, so not really as advertised, and the Waterloo 1815 Prussian Infantry, though not bad, came second to the Revell set IMHO. For 1815 Prussian battalions in regular infantry uniform, I have assembled a force comprising mainly HaT marching and command sets, but have utilised as many as possible from the Revell sets I had bought earlier.
If Waterloo 1815 produce a separate new metal Prussian staff set, similar to those for the British and French, that would be very worthwhile.
French Line
Not included, so-far, in the Secret-HaT list, but, again, there is not much room left by HaT, so why bother?
What is still needed for 1815 French is (a) Marching Fusiliers or combined Fusiliers and Elites in Greatcoats and (b) Marching French Command in Bardin uniforms (because HaT abandoned its announced set when the masters went astray). Other than that, I cannot really see the point of HaT reproducing what HaT has already done here.
Waterloo 1815 has produced a small, over-priced, marching set for 1815 French that only comprised Fusiliers. Not only were there no marching elite company figures, but they made accuracy errors with the Voltigeurs, so I cannot see any point to them once the HaT figures become available.
HaT have produced at least 2 marching French sets in greatcoats, but these have some absurd inaccuracies and in any case do not represent the improved standard HaT has now achieved. I cannot see that HaT would re-tool for something in its catalogue, but I think here is an opportunity for a manufacturer.
Old Guard
In an ideal world we would have a MAC format suite of Grenadiers and Chasseurs combined. What seems to be missing, IMHO, is a HaT Grenadier set to complement its Chasseurs, wearing campaign uniform, as the Zvezda set, doubtless with Borodino in mind, has the Grenadiers in full dress.
I think here there is ground for someone to produce more Old Guard infantry sets - marching and command, representing both Grenadiers and Chasseur in the same dress state - i.e. both in campaign dress. For greatcoat order I would suggest adding HaT Grenadier and Chasseur bearskins to HaT's forthcoming elites in greatcoats set.
BTW, HaT, please re-release your Guard Chasseurs!
Will the HaT announcements fill any gaps here? I am not sure I particularly have much interest in Old Guard standing at attention or at ease. We don't know if it's just Grenadiers (as is usually the case, yawn) or what dress order they will be in, but I am not immediately enthused by the news, I must say. Redbox Russians
Have not seen any announcements, so any details would be appreciated.
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Post by Brian on Dec 17, 2017 13:46:14 GMT
Hi Edwardian, You can find some of the missing answers to your Excellent summary on the website below with some preview pictures underlined in red. www.howjust.de/pageID_7163306.html |
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Post by Edwardian on Dec 17, 2017 17:32:14 GMT
Hi Edwardian, You can find some of the missing answers to your Excellent summary on the website below with some preview pictures underlined in red. www.howjust.de/pageID_7163306.htmlThanks, Brian, that's a very interesting link.
I see some very good things, including some great late Prussian Line Infantry sculpts by HaT, but I have all I will ever likely need from the HaT MAC set and, so, I am bound to question some of the choices, as well as welcoming others!
As regards Prussia, for any manufacturers out there who really feel the need to produce something for the 1813-15 period, rather than repeat what has already been done, and done well, by others, how about:
- Marching set of Prussian Reserve Infantry, featuring caps and single breasted coats, half with short tails, half without tails, trousers and Prussian equipment
- Landwehr cavalry, combining several variants
- Mounted Generals and ADCs
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Post by paintdog on Dec 18, 2017 0:50:11 GMT
All very interesting to see HaT in contemplating producing Landwehr sets. Even if I didn't have my order in for the HaT version, I'd almost certainly prefer the HaT over the HaT' figures.
I applaud HaT for their improved sculpting. However, a friend gave me a sprue of their Napoleonic Polish: good not great. IMO not nearly as good as HaT figures in general. I've ordered some HaT' Napoleonic Highlanders. This isn't hypocritical but because I don't think HaT will ever release this subject. None of my comments are motivated by blind partisanship but purely by pragmatism. Who releases the best figures gets my custom.
HaT only "beat" HaT in that they release their figures in a timely manner. This has been a factor in some of my purchases.
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Post by Edwardian on Dec 18, 2017 8:31:34 GMT
All very interesting to see HaT in contemplating producing Landwehr sets. Even if I didn't have my order in for the HaT version, I'd almost certainly prefer the HaT over the HaT' figures.
I applaud HaT for their improved sculpting. However, a friend gave me a sprue of their Napoleonic Polish: good not great. IMO not nearly as good as HaT figures in general. I've ordered some HaT' Napoleonic Highlanders. This isn't hypocritical but because I don't think HaT will ever release this subject. None of my comments are motivated by blind partisanship but purely by pragmatism. Who releases the best figures gets my custom.
HaT only "beat" HaT in that they release their figures in a timely manner. This has been a factor in some of my purchases.
donald I agree. I have purchased the HaT marching British, Highlanders and Poles. I did so because they appear good enough and because I imagine that HaT will never produce such sets.
On the same principle, I am unlikely to want or need HaT Landwehr. On balance I prefer the best of HaT sculpting to the best of HaT, and there is just no need for the HaT once the HaT are here. I've pre-ordered the HaT, so my choice is made, but an announcement from HaT does not make me wish to revisit that choice. If the HaT Landwehr look good enough, I may be tempted by a box or two, but really I cannot see the need.
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Post by gerd on Dec 24, 2017 12:08:34 GMT
Yes, i think HAT has missed the train...  Other manufacturers tried to get new products ready and delivered to the traders before Christmas...but HAT Now HaT is working on sets of prussian Landwehr and Line Infantry.... And they are very fast in devolping and producing new figures. OK, we can discuss the design of their figures. But if you need 5 or 6 columns of marching infantry in the background of a diorama, they are very useful.. A new year is coming....may sometimes the HAT Landwehr Figures find their way to my post-box... This is my most important wish for the New Year...  |
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Post by Forum Admin on Dec 26, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
Both the Zulus and Landwehr has been boxed and packed. Now just waiting for them to arrive at distribution points. Will update at the HaT website when they are out.
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Post by Edwardian on Dec 26, 2017 22:21:40 GMT
Bravo!
I look forward to receiving my lot. |
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Post by gbvarese on Dec 27, 2017 11:55:09 GMT
Dear Hat,
I'm also looking forward to obtaining my boxes. Before Chirstmas I've received a message asking me to choose among the bonus figures. I hope this is a positive sign that soon my Landwehrs are delivered to me.
Giovanni
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Post by waynew on Dec 31, 2017 21:05:56 GMT
I see no real "competition" between the two - rather a complimentary relationship. I rejoice at the improvement in HaT' product and have bought several sets. They don't replace my sets, but rather supplement and augment (though I am in the middle of re-painting my highlanders and I think I may retire my decades-old Airfix highlanders with due honors). The proposed Landwehr set definitely won't affect my purchase of HaT's sets even if I didn't already have numerous sets on "pre-order" through crowdfunding. Even though I have a BUNCH of HaT sets coming (as I rolled over the money from a cancelled project to the Prussians) it probably won't affect the number of HaT' sets I'd buy. If the sets are compatible I can mix them for variety of poses; if not (and the HaT' sets are as good as the recent output has been) - they will form separate units in my Prussian Army. It WAS a large force afterall.
I constantly see carping on the difference between HaT and HaT' output and blah, blah, blah. What is the point except to troll? It is obvious they have different business models and situations that have been explained ad nauseum. If the folks at HaT had their own plant and more direct control over the production process or even could mold their product on the SAME continent I imagine it would speed up the process and remove hickups along the way. But as the kids say, "It is what it is."
I am happy that with everything that has happened the last year or two, H hasn't given up on the business - or us - and remains committed to giving his customers - US! - high quality product that guys my age didn't even dare to dream of having one day. If I really thought, or if we had any reason to believe some of the delays were due to neglect or a lack of diligence on the part of the HaT folks I'd say we had reason to complain; but the facts disprove that notion in my mind.
I think there are over 100 HaT sets currently available past and newer issues - that's hardly dead.
I have been a HaT fan since its inception with no apologies; but I have rooted for HaT because they have had some great ideas over the past 20 years that have been total failures (IMHO) in execution. The last year has seen a revolution in the quality of their output; no disloyalty to HaT, but I gladly bought several of their new sets and am waiting for the latest releases to hit my favorite seller.
As consumers/collectors/gamers let's take a look at the state of this corner of the hobby. We have seen Airfix kind of exist with a living death, Zvezda pretty much come and go as far as full 1/72 sets are concerned, Red Box and Mars doing what they do (not my eras, so...) and some other minor companies making an appearance. Italeri and Waterloo hit and miss - with HaT stepping up its game and HaT getting back on its feet we will have two companies putting out quality figures at a rate at least I can absorb. For that I am grateful.
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Post by Allan from Glasgow on Dec 31, 2017 21:46:24 GMT
Well Said Wayne,
i couldn't have put it better myself, I have been in this hobby since 1982 when i used to walk for miles to get my first esci Napoleonic sets. I then discovered hat industries. As you said companies have faded away, but hopefully with hat starting to get sets out again and HaT producing better figures. we are hopefully going to see many new sets hitting the market in 2018.
I like you do not mix manufacturers in my units so I do not worry about the different sculpting styles although i do love hats mac format, I am looking forward to Prussian landwehr hitting the shops although I must admit not a fan of crowd funding or the splitting of the command figures over the two sets.
I tend to buy many more marching boxes to every action set I buy, so a lot of wasted figures just to get the right amount of command figures. So Please think about going back to the great mac format your company introduced to plastic sets something that only metal collectors had at that time and we all envied so much. I am about to order 30 boxes of the Prussians so you might understand why i prefer the mac format.
May i take a moment to wish all visitors to you great site a happy and safe new year, and wish your company and staff a happy new year also.
Its just about two hours to the bells is Scotland, so time for a wee dram and get the world service radio on..
best wishes to you all
Allan
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Post by paintdog on Jan 1, 2018 2:48:41 GMT
I constantly see carping on the difference between HaT and HaT' output and blah, blah, blah. What is the point except to troll? "Carping"? Really? This seems to be rather offensive. And as for "to troll", well that leaves little doubt. i find I have an opinion. Is it ok with you to express it? i find HaTs output to be slow. I'm glad you're happy. I'm not entirely......and I'm NOT a troll. |
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Post by Graeme on Jan 1, 2018 7:04:12 GMT
Yes, a complimentary relationship for sure, I like to buy figures of a particular unit from every manufacturer that makes them, if they look good and I can get them. Commanders of clone armies have such a negative immage in popular culture.
I really don't need Prussian Landwehr from HaT, haT will be sending me more than I can paint in any reasonable time. But, the sculpts they have shown us are very nice and variety is good so if these show up at my local hobby shop I will buy some.
Of HaT recent production i only bought a box each of the marching Poles and Brits. That's all that was left in the shop when i got there but I look forward to catching up on some of the other sets when I see them. The advancing figures are of particular interest. And the Highlanders, a few years ago these were the figures I wanted more than any others. Now I just don't need them (except a few of the advancing figures that I hope will fit in nicely with some of my dodgy conversions), but put them in the shop and I'll buy them because they are really nice looking figures and the body proportions are so much better than the Poles and Brits, and the officers and pioneers will be most useful, and it's not always about what you need.
Allan is right about the MAC sets. as a customer I think this is the best idea a manufacturer has ever come up with. I prefer action figures so for me HaT has the edge over the recent HaT production so far, HaT gives me firing lines. And being able to buy as many command figures as we need, I don't know how economically viable it is for a manufacturer but for us customers it's brilliant. And again HaT has the edge here, those Polish and British sets I mentioned did something very wierd with the command figures.
Regarding comparisons of HaT and HaT's current output, HaT uses a much quicker production method and I think they may be casting the figures themselves on site. Which means they can produce figures quickly, and they certainly have been knocking out a lot of sets lately. And I applaud them for it. This level of activity means their forum is buzzing too.
The downside is that if you didn't buy some of their older sets when you had the chance (like a certain eejit who's name I won't mention) or if you're new to the hobby and want to buy the older sets, you're out of luck because the moulds are worn out.
HaT's steel moulds take longer to produce. We've been told that it takes about a year to make a new set.And for all I know there may be several different offshore companies involved in the different stages of production. I think everyone here is aware that production stopped at HaT for two years or so, due to unavoidable reasons and that there is a new management team. As far as I can tell the new management has been in place for about a year, maybe a bit more and in that time 4 new sets and 11 or more restocks have already been shipped and a further 7 new sets and another group of restocks are on the way to the distribution points now. Given the longer production times and HaT's Pheonix like rise from the ashes I think that's not too shabby for their first year.
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Post by waynew on Jan 1, 2018 22:27:39 GMT
I constantly see carping on the difference between HaT and HaT' output and blah, blah, blah. What is the point except to troll? "Carping"? Really? This seems to be rather offensive. And as for "to troll", well that leaves little doubt. i find I have an opinion. Is it ok with you to express it? i find HaTs output to be slow. I'm glad you're happy. I'm not entirely......and I'm NOT a troll. I don't think I had any one particular person or post in mind - definitely not yours - when I posted my comment; I generally find myself in agreement with many of your comments. Rather my comment was directed to the seemingly constant comparisons between Hat and HaT that goes on throughout the hobby on this and other forums and the incessant complaints over "lack of updates" "poor communications" and wait for desired products. It's not like the reasons for said circumstances haven't been explained numerous times in numerous places in a multitude of ways. As I said, I am happy that HaT, as a company survives, and as said by someone else is managing a respectable rate of production - even if a particular set I desire isn't immediately available. As for HaT output vs Hat's - hasn't that been explained again and again? In my opinion is it's rather a waste of time as it is comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. And while I respect others' opinions - pardon me if I think (again, my opinion) that some of it is complaining for the sake of complaining ("carping"). And folks who do that in my opinion are acting like trolls - that's "trolling." Now, in the cold black and white of the internet one cannot get subtle nuances behind the words - one can only read the words so I really cannot tell who has sincere concern for the welfare of this or that company, much less who is "carping" or "trolling." I leave that up to the individual to decide. As the saying goes, "if the shoe fits, wear it, if not..." Again, I was just expressing an opinion on the constant debate over issues that have been discussed over and over again; I really don't think any of it's worth really getting riled about - except the folks from ALL the companies who put their substance and even health on the line to bring us the toy soldiers of their (and our) dreams I think deserve a little understanding and co-operation. In the last couple of years I've lost at least two men whom I knew and had grown fond of who made toy soldiers, I know of a couple more whose health had been damaged due to strokes or other issues - yes, there are probably other causes - but the one common factor was they all ran "Mom and Pop" companies dedicated to producing toy soldiers and playsets. I don't think constructive criticism designed to improve a product is out of line; as has been mentioned elsewhere, HaT does what it can to invite feedback and input from its customers. So no insult intended but as I said, if the shoe fits... |
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Post by paintdog on Jan 2, 2018 11:25:39 GMT
Wayne,
one of the problems is this is not exactly a healthy forum. Not anymore. Low traffic & the posts that are made are often by first timers. Hence, you may hear the same thing several times by posters who aren't aware a similar comment was made several months ago.
I would like the forum to start to tick over like it did before the change of host. I would advocate a certain amount of tolerance to encourage people to use the forum. Indeed, I don't think we can afford to alienate anyone with an interest in 1/72 figures.
donald
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Post by waynew on Jan 3, 2018 3:02:10 GMT
Donald,
It wasn't my intent to alienate anyone with my post or offend. I just tend to be blunt - it's just the old Army sergeant and son of a sergeant in me. As I said, it is often hard to discern tone on these forums. I agree with you; I miss the good ol' days when we used to discuss all sorts of historical subjects - but too many folks couldn't behave so a lot of conversation was shut down. All I was trying to do was call for some consideration toward our host(s), who are working hard to bring HaT back from the brink and continue to bring us the tiny figures we crave so much.
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Post by paintdog on Jan 3, 2018 10:09:23 GMT
Donald, It wasn't my intent to alienate anyone with my post or offend. I just tend to be blunt - it's just the old Army sergeant and son of a sergeant in me. As I said, it is often hard to discern tone on these forums. I agree with you; I miss the good ol' days when we used to discuss all sorts of historical subjects - but too many folks couldn't behave so a lot of conversation was shut down. All I was trying to do was call for some consideration toward our host(s), who are working hard to bring HaT back from the brink and continue to bring us the tiny figures we crave so much. I guess I'm selfish, Wayne. It's not that I don't wish HaT well for its past accomplishments but my main motivation is to happily give them money for even more great figures in the (near) future.
BTW what was the name of that (I think) older gentleman, prolific poster, ex-serviceman & loads of old Airfix figures he as supplementing with HaT additions? He seems to have fallen to the wayside with changes to the forum: pity.
donald
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Post by dannym on Jan 3, 2018 10:32:27 GMT
Donald, It wasn't my intent to alienate anyone with my post or offend. I just tend to be blunt - it's just the old Army sergeant and son of a sergeant in me. As I said, it is often hard to discern tone on these forums. I agree with you; I miss the good ol' days when we used to discuss all sorts of historical subjects - but too many folks couldn't behave so a lot of conversation was shut down. All I was trying to do was call for some consideration toward our host(s), who are working hard to bring HaT back from the brink and continue to bring us the tiny figures we crave so much. I guess I'm selfish, Wayne. It's not that I don't wish HaT well for its past accomplishments but my main motivation is to happily give them money for even more great figures in the (near) future.
BTW what was the name of that (I think) older gentleman, prolific poster, ex-serviceman & loads of old Airfix figures he as supplementing with HaT additions? He seems to have fallen to the wayside with changes to the forum: pity.
donald
Hi Donald I think that you may be referring to Bill Guiroff. Hopefully he is busy painting up more of his large Grant size battalions. Danny |
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Post by paintdog on Jan 3, 2018 14:00:14 GMT
I guess I'm selfish, Wayne. It's not that I don't wish HaT well for its past accomplishments but my main motivation is to happily give them money for even more great figures in the (near) future.
BTW what was the name of that (I think) older gentleman, prolific poster, ex-serviceman & loads of old Airfix figures he as supplementing with HaT additions? He seems to have fallen to the wayside with changes to the forum: pity.
donald
Hi Donald I think that you may be referring to Bill Guiroff. Hopefully he is busy painting up more of his large Grant size battalions. Danny
Bill! Of course. It would be nice to hear from him again.
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Post by Brian on Jan 5, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
I just noticed that the Prussian Landwehr Crowdfunding Page has had an update from Hat.
Update: Jan 3, 2018
Both crowding sets, new sets, restocks and odds and ends are now on its way here. There is no delivery date yet but recipients will be informed once the items are shipped. Apologies for the long delay in the project coming to fruition. The actual molding process did not take long but the preparation (set up, sizing, adjustments), production and consolidation of the entire order took much longer. This is a new process we learned from and any new sets will cut down the preparation process down drastically. Thank you all for your patience.
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Post by waynew on Jan 5, 2018 15:40:17 GMT
That is good news; it looks like the ol' HaT machine is gearing up. Our patience will be rewarded.
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