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Post by Forum Admin on Jan 16, 2018 0:35:36 GMT
What bonus figures would you like to see and what figures would you like to match for this upcoming set?
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Post by traveller1865 on Jan 16, 2018 9:39:22 GMT
I want them to match RSM95 20mm metal figures, not sure about what plastic figures since I don't use them that much in ACW projects but maybe Imex and Esci. So around 24mm for me. Bonus figure suggestions: surrendering pose, rifles in air and stretcher bearers. Not sure if others are interested in having their little troops in a "cowardly" pose but I am since we always see miniatures in heroic poses but not what would have been reality for many, surrender, capture and imprisonment.
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Post by Vellek on Jan 16, 2018 19:42:05 GMT
Have them match size with Accurate/Revell and Imex. Casualties should be included as bonus figures. Thanks for asking.
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Post by richard on Jan 16, 2018 21:57:39 GMT
Have them match size with Accurate/Revell and Imex. Casualties should be included as bonus figures. Thanks for asking. Agree, the Accurate sets are really good and set a benchmark for others to follow. Therefore, making them size compatable is a good idea. Agree with casualties as well.
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Post by elektrikeal on Jan 16, 2018 23:33:58 GMT
Yes - Definitely match Accurate/Revell & Imex Bonus Figures : Walking Casualty (not with bandages) or Surrendering. Advancing poses.
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Post by Alan Buckingham on Jan 17, 2018 11:01:36 GMT
Bonus figure suggestion, Famous Confederate General at Gettysburg advancing with Hat on sword .
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Post by waynew on Jan 17, 2018 14:09:57 GMT
I agree new figures should match Accurate/Imex/Revell we've had enough problems with two "different" 54mm scales and scale creep in 1/72.
As to bonus figures I like the Armistead suggestion - at the same time a casualty figure or two or even a litter bearer team would be great; the last time anything similar was even attempted was the ESCI set, I think.
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Post by Frank Castle on Jan 17, 2018 15:44:41 GMT
What bonus figures would you like to see and what figures would you like to match for this upcoming set? Same questions here as for the announced 7YW Austrians. Before discussing this issue, could a Hät/PCC-spokesman please clarify some fundamental aspects first? - Will the prospective ACW figures be released in the customary traditional way or is it intended to finance them via "Crowdfunding"? (Sorry to say but if the latter applies, I'm already out.) - Will the ACW "Union" figures still be released as 2 separate "marching" & "command" sets? - If so, about how many "bonus figures" for which sets are we talking here? Thanks in advance for any potential clarification. Sizewise the announced figures should definitely match the Accurate/Revell, Imex & Italeri ones. So, ideally 23-24mm.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 18, 2018 8:07:10 GMT
What bonus figures would you like to see and what figures would you like to match for this upcoming set? Same questions here as for the announced 7YW Austrians. Before discussing this issue, could a Hät/PCC-spokesman please clarify some fundamental aspects first? - Will the prospective ACW figures be released in the customary traditional way or is it intended to finance them via "Crowdfunding"? (Sorry to say but if the latter applies, I'm already out.) - Will the ACW "Union" figures still be released as 2 separate "marching" & "command" sets? - If so, about how many "bonus figures" for which sets are we talking here? Thanks in advance for any potential clarification. Sizewise the announced figures should definitely match the superb HaT sets as well as the still very good Accurate/Revell, Imex & Italeri ones. So, ideally 23-24mm.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 18, 2018 8:10:16 GMT
Frank, if Hat are mentioning Bonus Figures then they are talking about Crowd Funding. It is only the Crowd Funders that get the bonus figures. If the figures are then later put on General Release this would not include the Bonus Figures. If you like, the Bonus Figures are the carrot to draw you in to the crowd funding idea.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by minuteman on Jan 18, 2018 10:10:08 GMT
If it's Crowdfunding then I'm also out - I can't wait that long and don't really need to. I bought up masses of Imex, Revell and Accurate figures some time ago and my ACW armies are pretty well there; just waiting to be painted and based. I may now be adding a few extra boxes of infantry via a manufacturer who has recently been prolific in bringing some new sets to market.
Taking a bigger view, the key thing is that, with a competitor manufacturer now producing ACW sets in poses which are suitable for wargamers as well as diorama builders - and also now at a better sculpting standard than before - there's a danger of HaT losing this race both on speed to market and price per box of figures. It's a shame, but there we are.
Something that is badly needed however is a really good set/sets of ACW artillery (with a variety of guns/cannon, for both Union and Confederacy), plus limbers and wagons. Is there an opportunity there?
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Post by Alan Buckingham on Jan 18, 2018 11:17:52 GMT
Crowdfunding , if supported the set gets made, if not enough support it does not, as we have seen from the crowdfunded sets so far , so you could say this is a measure of popularity, if not going to be popular, why make them ? if they don`t prove popular you could be waiting a very long time for them to come on the market. My take on this is if a set I want goes to crowdfunding, buy a few, that way I know I have done all I can to bring it to market. Other manufacturers watch these projects too, so they are unlikely to make a set that has generated little support. We are not a big market, how many manufacturers in our hobby have stopped making new sets ? well nearly all of them, we are left with a few that generate a few new sets a year, plus HaT generating more than all the others combined,or so it seems. Hat`s out put has slowed enough, lets do all we can to speed it up.
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Post by traveller1865 on Jan 18, 2018 11:44:28 GMT
Alan makes some valid points, I'm not a fan of the crowdfunding concept, the idea that some get an exclusive bonus figure in a set and some customers are left out is not that appealing. But if it allows HaT to get up to speed again then I'm all for it.
As for "that other company", they may generate lots of ACW sets but the quality is still nowhere near HaT, and I think most customers will recognize this in time. I hope HaT invest in more ACW sets, we desperately need more ACW artillery figures, figures moving guns, loading and so on.
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Post by waynew on Jan 18, 2018 17:28:28 GMT
I don't think ANYONE - even the makers - are fond of crowdfunding projects; probably for many of the same reasons. It seems right now to be a necessary evil considering the current market conditions as well as recent history for HaT.
But HaT IS on the mend and for some of us who have been here since the start and are fans of their figures this is ONE way of getting long awaited sets in our hands finally. Otherwise we could sit on our wallets (or our hands) and let them fold and the sets (and the dreams behind them) die forever. I think this would be a shame for the hobby.
What another company is or isn't doing is really irrelevant in some ways. I applaud the improvement in quality and have scooped up several boxes of some of their new improved stuff. True, there are those who will stock up on the other company's offerings - or have tons of the older stuff (as have I) - but the HaT offerings in my mind will supplement and augment what is already out there. A case in point, I was lucky (smart?) enough to buy a whole potload of their Peninsular British Command sets. I've used at least two or three boxes supplementing the command units supplied with the other company's sets.
With the ACW one set has only longer frock coats - HaT's will have shell jackets - there are gaps to fill. I think we as the collectors benefit through choice.
The producer, in this case HaT will benefit by not spending a ton of money and wasting time producing a set for which there is little or no demand. With the current situation being what it is crowdfunding appears to be a way to solve a couple problems. Again, we, as consumers, have a choice to participate or not. I've been disappointed when sets I wanted didn't fly - at the same time, some of us are on the verge of seeing long-awaited sets arrive in the mail we might not otherwise have seen.
I'm glad HaT has found a way to keep functioning. Hopefully, better times await.
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Post by grumble on Jan 19, 2018 23:53:15 GMT
Definitely match IMEX Accurate/Revell etc. for size and style.
I second the idea of an artillery set. There's a real gap there, excepting an OOP couple of sets from an Italian company that made Parrotts and Napoleons long ago, very hard to find now. Most of the other guns are too small, though artillery made in the 1960's by a venerable plastic soldier company can be used as 3" ordnance rifles.
Armistead seems a good choice for bonus figure.
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