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Post by Forum Admin on Apr 10, 2019 8:02:08 GMT
Command: NCO, standard bearer, drummer, foot officer: Mounted officer: 12 foot figures: These figures can be made into 2 sets or 3 sets. Figures can be duplicated/triplicated. Some figures/heads can be mixed and matched for diversification. Max sprue size = 15 impressions. Regular sprue size = 12 impressions. Smaller sprues size = 10 impressions. Feel free to discuss!
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Post by borodino on Apr 10, 2019 10:46:26 GMT
awesome, my brushes are impatient
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Post by Redneck26 on Apr 10, 2019 19:46:10 GMT
Let me start by saying these look great, and I am just itching to get me a big plastic pile of these!
As for sets, I like the MAC format for armies like this.
Set 1: Figures 1-3, four impressions of each, swapping heads for some of the impressions with figures 5 and 9 for added variety. Set 2: Figures 4-12, with duplicates of 5, 6, and 10. Set 3: Command.
Just my two cents.
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Post by cpn on Apr 10, 2019 21:06:31 GMT
Good afternoon, The best news ever! Before I go into the details of boxes, may I suggest to try to add a fifer in the command box. Indeed American companies did have a drummer and a fifer which makes them quite characteristic. For the foot officer with the pike, the design of the pike should more simple as the one portrayed looks more pike a European seven years wars equivalent. Heads swap: this is really an area where you can make the difference and create the ultimate AWI sets. You should have enough round hats, round/left side up hats and cocked hats as these will also benefit the British infantry and the future sets of artillery and cavalry. AWI is unique in the fact the units were nearly all different in their look especially starting with headgear. I will study more the poses and come back later. Cheers. CPN
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Post by Graeme on Apr 11, 2019 2:14:03 GMT
Assuming most people opt for MAC sets. Fill a box with marching figures, and another with command figures.
For the Action set I think equal numbers of firing and loading figures are needed, and I like advancing figures, so:
For a standard 12 figure sprue I would lose No.11 and duplicate No.'s 5,6,9,& 10. Perhaps the duplicates could have cocked hats instead of round hats.
If you went for a 15 figure sprue you could include No.11 and duplicate No.'s 7,& 12 or perhaps 7,& 4.
Thank You for asking.
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Post by cpn on Apr 11, 2019 3:42:27 GMT
Good evening, The end result should look like this A lot of firing,loading,at the ready poses For once I would not support the MAC format as one box should make it without the command figures if we aim at a 56-60 fig like the Nap French carabiniers we could move faster. If we go to a format like Nassau infantry well even better as we can include 2 full command sprues and then have them ready sooner. The key is to get additional headgear at least like for the British peninsular infantry. By the way, I think the fig 1 is not needed as apparently this way of holding the musket was not the practice. In that regards great and accurate manufacturers like Perry or Fife and drums do not include these into their products for these reasons. Maybe someone can confirm or deny this. Fig 12 has a headgear that is accurate but that could be made by cutting a round hat or a cocked hat so I would change It. I am still thinking about this great opportunity after 10 Years of looking at the masters. Cheers . CPN
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Post by greentiger on Apr 11, 2019 9:22:48 GMT
These look great - I would certainly invest in these no matter what format you go for (as long as they don't have any bits to stick on) - Thank you I look forward to their appearance at my local retailer!
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Post by Redneck26 on Apr 11, 2019 19:42:42 GMT
Agree about the addition of a fifer, can't believe I didn't think of that.
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Post by richard on Apr 11, 2019 22:04:01 GMT
This is excellent news. I appreciate this will take a long time to come into fruition but I'm pleased to see they've made the next stage of discussing poses/combinations.
I would agree with CPN about doing it in larger box format rather than MAC. Unlike the Nap Wars, the battles involved smaller numbers of forces and especially from the British perspective, was often not whole battalions/regiments getting involved but mixes of several small units forming together to make up a battalion sized unit. Grenadiers and light infantry were often separated from their regiments and combined together. Therefore, I think there is less need for the quantity of standard bearers and musicians that Nap sets require.
A variety of headgear would be really great as well-uniform standards on both sides were very mixed and units did ditch their tricornes for round hats and other alternatives.
For the continentals a high number of loading/firing poses is great-numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 all look very good. I would suggest that a kneeling firing pose would be good.
Sizing wise should match the Accurate British/militia sets.
I'm sure with more time to think I'll bore everyone with more of my thoughts on this!
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Post by Bcminiatures on Apr 11, 2019 23:00:47 GMT
I prefer MAC
Marching, Action, Command has been a great success, at least from this gamer's point of view. I prefer to have the option to build my forces with a majority of marching figures, as they work better (in my experience) for gaming, and are easier to store. If you wanted to overload the Action set with firing figures ,I'd have no objection whatsoever to that. I don't think kneeling figures work for Americans. The Von Steuben drill did not call for it as I recall. Earlier drill like Bland's perhaps, but I did not think it was common. (can't footnote that though so would defer to a more informed reader).
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Post by Santi on Apr 11, 2019 23:18:17 GMT
And what about their British opponents? I would prefer they were the first ones to be released. I remember the pictures of the masters and they were great figures, specially the Comman group.
Cheers.
Santi.
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Post by waynew on Apr 12, 2019 2:30:22 GMT
So excited about these figures - the first decent set issued in 1/72 plastic since Accurate/Revell so many moons ago. I definitely plan to buy these on a massive scale to "buck up" my current Continentals. For decades I've pretty much been forced to use Accurate British Regulars painted as Continentals as most American sets have leaned toward militia. I do not include an unfortunate attempt by another company the effort was well intended but scale-wise. As far as their British opponents are concerned, I have seen the masters for them and they are equally superb - I have no doubt they are on their way. I think HaT is taking it easy on us - how much joy can we take in one bite? As for Pose 1 - I don't believe it's unheard of: www.srcalifornia.com/uniforms/p12.htm Here's a great source: www.bahrnoproducts.com/Revolutionary_War_Reenactment.htmIn the instructions to various ranks the 1779 Manual of Arms instructs privates: "When ordered to march, he must not charge himself with any unnecessary baggage; he will march at his ease, without however leaving his rank or file; he should drink as seldom as possible, and never stop but when necessity obliges him; in which case he must ask leave of the commanding officer of the platoon." I would imagine the figure in pose 1 would be marching "At Ease March." We still had that command for long marches when I was in, with us it was at sling arms or port at our own step.
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Post by cpn on Apr 12, 2019 15:06:31 GMT
So excited about these figures - the first decent set issued in 1/72 plastic since Accurate/Revell so many moons ago. I definitely plan to buy these on a massive scale to "buck up" my current Continentals. For decades I've pretty much been forced to use Accurate British Regulars painted as Continentals as most American sets have leaned toward militia. I do not include an unfortunate attempt by another company the effort was well intended but scale-wise. As far as their British opponents are concerned, I have seen the masters for them and they are equally superb - I have no doubt they are on their way. I think HaT is taking it easy on us - how much joy can we take in one bite? As for Pose 1 - I don't believe it's unheard of: www.srcalifornia.com/uniforms/p12.htm Here's a great source: www.bahrnoproducts.com/Revolutionary_War_Reenactment.htmIn the instructions to various ranks the 1779 Manual of Arms instructs privates: "When ordered to march, he must not charge himself with any unnecessary baggage; he will march at his ease, without however leaving his rank or file; he should drink as seldom as possible, and never stop but when necessity obliges him; in which case he must ask leave of the commanding officer of the platoon." I would imagine the figure in pose 1 would be marching "At Ease March." We still had that command for long marches when I was in, with us it was at sling arms or port at our own step. Good morning, Thank for this precision of which I was unsure probably because I was focusing too much on the battle side of the topic. Great,thank you. CPN
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Post by cpn on Apr 12, 2019 15:12:20 GMT
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Post by Marco Zappa on Apr 12, 2019 20:12:04 GMT
Let me start by saying these look great, and I am just itching to get me a big plastic pile of these! As for sets, I like the MAC format for armies like this. Set 1: Figures 1-3, four impressions of each, swapping heads for some of the impressions with figures 5 and 9 for added variety. Set 2: Figures 4-12, with duplicates of 5, 6, and 10. Set 3: Command. Just my two cents. I think this it's a good idea.
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Post by Todd on Apr 12, 2019 21:52:37 GMT
Any particular format is fine with me. I got into miniatures largely because of the bicentennial sets that came out here in the states. It's coming up on fifty years later and these figures would really fit the bill for an old hobbyist.
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Post by vmc on Apr 15, 2019 2:35:42 GMT
I don't think kneeling figures work for Americans. The Von Steuben drill did not call for it as I recall. Earlier drill like Bland's perhaps, but I did not think it was common. (can't footnote that though so would defer to a more informed reader).You are correct, it is not in von Steuben, neither is it in the 1764 exercise, for the very simple reason that this tiring position simply wasn't necessary since the two rank firing line had been adopted by both sides. Kneeling figures crabbing about the table are a curse of the wargaming classes! www.doublegv.com/ggv/battles/Manual.html
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Post by Roscoe Remington on Apr 19, 2019 4:55:25 GMT
Poses 4,5,7,8 and 9 are wonderful action figures. It would be nice to see any of these poses among the Napoleonic Austrians.
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Post by cpn on Apr 19, 2019 13:24:07 GMT
Good morning Roscoe, I agree there are great poses in the masters of both US and British projects. Like you I'd like to get more variations in loading poses and I do really enjoy when I see figures like number 4 or 8 (ready to fire). The NAP French carabiniers includes 8 figures of that pose and it really improves, in my opinion, the line of fire look on a war game or diorama table. CPN
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Post by vmc on Apr 19, 2019 23:52:57 GMT
It would be difficult to find more variations in the loading pose than those already offered in this excellent set IMO, as 4, 7, 8, 9 and 11 all cover the movements pretty well except for actually tearing the cartridge. The other position is "poise firelock" where the musket is presented, then cocked, a position similar to the ensign in pose 14 www.nps.gov/npgallery/GetAsset/FBEF6C47-155D-451F-674E755D5FCE6582/proxy/hires?BTW Pose 8 has a major error as the figure is armed with a musket and bayonet, therefore would have no use for the powder horn illustrated. This is a mistake that can be laid at the door of Hollywood, along with buckskins and Davey Crockett caps
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Post by cpn on Apr 20, 2019 0:26:44 GMT
Hi, Good catch for the horn.Personally I like the pose and to be fair I can remove the horn and add a cartridge box more easily than a bayonet to the musket. Cheers. CPN
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Post by vmc on Apr 20, 2019 0:46:23 GMT
Yep, I love the pose too and it is easy to snip away the powder horn, but I would rather not have to pfaff about adding the necessary cartridge boxes on lots of figures in a wargame army when a simple error can be corrected at the design stage It's also so refreshing to see the figure with the ramrod standing properly when for years Airfix and many others used to have this as a splay legged stance that seemed designed to take up the maximum amount of space on the sprue.... they were a royal pain to base in a firing line!
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Post by cpn on Jun 9, 2019 14:16:58 GMT
Hi everyone, It seems this topic is a bit sleeping. My humble suggestions are: 1/ keep the bayonnet on the rifle for all of the figures carrying muskets. We all agree it is easier to cut it than to add it. Besides it is historicaly accurate and not to mention the potential use of this figures for other conflict or imagi-Nations fans. 2/ This era definitiely needs additionnals headgears to cover the multiple possibilities. This will also be very valid for the British troops. 3/ I see three boxes but in an Hybrid format from the usual MAC format because of the scale of this war and the need to deliver this figures sooner than later. - Command box that will need to include a piper as it was part with the drummer of each company in US contiental infantry: 28 figures incluing the horse (each pose 4 times or extend the number of musicians of foot officer) - American continentals in uniforms: 48 figures (each pose 8 times) - Amarican Milicia / Continentals infantry: 48 figures (each pose 8 times) Next topic, the Redcoats! Cheers CPN
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Post by richard on Jun 16, 2019 8:25:52 GMT
I would guess this is way down on their 'to do' list. Which is a shame. But I suppose it is the Napoleonic releases that actually make them their money with the levels of demand out there.
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Post by chuck mason on Jul 11, 2019 17:47:03 GMT
I would love to see 1/32 AWI figures from HaT
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