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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 9, 2020 10:14:17 GMT
Looking hard and long at all manufacturers standard bearers I have come to the conclusion that they should all have empty cupped hands and the flag and staff molded separately. Some drape, some are engraved, some are too small or too large or stock paper flags for 15/25/18 are either to large or small to fit on the molded staff. Owners can use
the supplied flag/pole or use some off market pole or piece of wire then a paper flag. the standards won't be as annoying as they can all be now and it should make molding easier and make your armies look all on the same page standards wise in line of battle.... nobody likes a droopy flag....
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Post by davidmac on Jun 9, 2020 13:40:47 GMT
I agree with the idea of casting flag bearers without a flag, but with open hands for a flag/flagpole to be attached.
Perhaps the flag could be cast separately. Hat has some figures with separately cast weapons--the Carthaginian veterans is one such that comes to mind. In the case of a flag, this option could let Hat cast the flag & flagpole at proper dimensions.
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Post by bongman on Jun 9, 2020 17:21:17 GMT
That's a good idea but look at the standard bearer here: www.hat72.com/Curr2/Bx8075RC.htmlHe is at the bottom, upside down to the right of the tubicen tuba player. You can only mold one side of the cupped hands. The outer cupped hand cannot be made. Is there a better made standard bearer?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 18:09:25 GMT
I too think moulding them with the standard/flag pole seperate (either on its own or part of a seperate arm), is better than the pole/flags being moulded already as part of the figure. Manufacturers often seem to get the size or design of the flag wrong.
What about a sheet of paper flags being included in a command set? That way when gluing around a pole, the customer can manipulate the flag the way they want, either limp or blowing in the wind.
A manufacturer could then sell "extra" sheets of flags with other regiments/designs on, seperately for the customer to buy. This would be a great idea for musket type eras, such as SYW, AWI, Napoleonic, ACW etc
For eras where its just a standard thats carried and not a flag, perhaps a seperate small sprue with a couple of different versions of standard moulded??
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Post by waynew on Jun 9, 2020 19:04:11 GMT
Warflags has a great selection of flags I've found useful for more modern (18th C. - 19th C.) eras. I don't necessarily mind free flowing flags and such, but when they're draped down over the figure it's more of a nuisance to me.
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Post by bongman on Jun 9, 2020 19:48:27 GMT
Manufacturers often seem to get the size or design of the flag wrong. That seems to have been addressed already. People on this forum commented about flags being the wrong size and Hat has been making their last few sets with bare flag poles. The Austrian command set has bare flag poles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 20:49:03 GMT
Manufacturers often seem to get the size or design of the flag wrong. That seems to have been addressed already. People on this forum commented about flags being the wrong size and Hat has been making their last few sets with bare flag poles. The Austrian command set has bare flag poles. No worries, I was just following on from an earlier post about flags etc. Also I ment manufacturers plural not hat. There are some out there that repeat the mistakes. But yes Hat have indeed made flag bearers without flags, the Napoleonic Prussian command and British command set are more examples. In this way, Hat have set the standard (if you excuse the pun!!)
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Post by paintdog on Jun 11, 2020 5:28:52 GMT
That seems to have been addressed already. People on this forum commented about flags being the wrong size and Hat has been making their last few sets with bare flag poles. The Austrian command set has bare flag poles. No worries, I was just following on from an earlier post about flags etc. Also I ment manufacturers plural not hat. There are some out there that repeat the mistakes. But yes Hat have indeed made flag bearers without flags, the Napoleonic Prussian command and British command set are more examples. In this way, Hat have set the standard (if you excuse the pun!!) Bare flags are my preference over figures carrying moulded flags. But the suggestion of open hands would suit me better. It's easy enough to use a length of piano wire (adding tassels later) & this gives you the option of using a bigger flag than is otherwise possible.
It was good of you to flag your concerns, Roger (that pun deserves no forgiveness).
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Post by quarion on Jun 25, 2020 10:05:03 GMT
I always cut off moulded flag and make my own with stick and flag printed on self-adhesive paper in my 1/32 figures. In this scale weight of this moulded flag is also a problem like in Napoleonic Bavarians where figure tends to fall down. On the other hand in 1/72 there are great examples of beautiful standard bearers like Napoleonic Russian Grenadiers by Zvezda. If its impossible to improve quality then better to get figure with open hands.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 30, 2020 7:28:04 GMT
I bought a couple years back a pack of flag poles/lances from somebody (for the life of me I cannot remember). They also offer alot of books and some figs if somebody knows the site. They were perfect for lances for all my lancers and standard bearers for my infantry (sadly no eagles). they each had a flattened spear point on one end and you can just cut off what you don't need. very useful! but need to be primed as they will rust (!). I have been able, by emailing, SHQ standard bearers on their own. I just asked and for the last 5 years or so I have received little bags of 2-3 (more if I wanted them) of just standard bearers for Naps for different nations. I may have gotten some for my ACWs, I just can't remember. They have filled in perfectly with my HaT figures and those of other nations.
shqltd.com/ I think Ian has taken over the full business and Pete is retired.
found the folks who offered the flag staffs (they came in different gauges) it was Cavalier Books. I don't know if they
still offer them...
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Post by SteveO on Jul 9, 2020 12:48:57 GMT
My personal preference is for the bare flag-pole as per the Nap British Infantry Command set. Those figures with empty cupped hands always have the hands looking poorly sculpted, oversized and awkward to me.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jul 9, 2020 18:54:38 GMT
My personal preference is for the bare flag-pole as per the Nap British Infantry Command set. Those figures with empty cupped hands always have the hands looking poorly sculpted, oversized and awkward to me. As long as the staff is long enough. Sometimes they require a reduction of the printed type flags to fit some poles that may be scale-correct in length but are not long enough for a properly scaled standard.
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Post by davidmac on Jul 10, 2020 19:03:14 GMT
I have recently been painting some Napoleonic Austrian figures (2807) and I modified the figure who is reloading or fixing bayonet into a flagbearer. In order to prevent the fellow from falling over, I drilled through the base so that the figure really doesn't support the flag. When I've finished, I'll post a shot or two. To make the flags, I found an image online, saved, and printed out the flags at an appropriate dimension. I coated the printed surface of the flag with half strength future, to seal it. I wrapped a flag around a metal wire, made sure the flag was folded so the edges matched up, and pressed it tight around the wire. Then I took the flag off, put a thin coat of white glue (actually Arlene's tacky glue) on one side of the flag, and pressed the two sides together. After letting it set a bit, I bent the flag into a suitable wavy shape. I don't like the flag hanging down over the bearer's shoulders, nor flying straight out as if there were gale force winds. Pictures to follow. The picture on the left shows the regiment marching as battalions in echelon. The first battalion is on the left, flying the leibfahne; the rest with ordinarfahne. The picture on the right shows the battalions in line, first, second and third, left to right. These are wargame figures; I don't do dioramas at this point. So, some details are simplified.
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Post by waynew on Jul 10, 2020 22:07:34 GMT
I have recently been painting some Napoleonic Austrian figures (2807) and I modified the figure who is reloading or fixing bayonet into a flagbearer. In order to prevent the fellow from falling over, I drilled through the base so that the figure really doesn't support the flag. When I've finished, I'll post a shot or two. To make the flags, I found an image online, saved, and printed out the flags at an appropriate dimension. I coated the printed surface of the flag with half strength future, to seal it. I wrapped a flag around a metal wire, made sure the flag was folded so the edges matched up, and pressed it tight around the wire. Then I took the flag off, put a thin coat of white glue (actually Arlene's tacky glue) on one side of the flag, and pressed the two sides together. After letting it set a bit, I bent the flag into a suitable wavy shape. I don't like the flag hanging down over the bearer's shoulders, nor flying straight out as if there were gale force winds. Pictures to follow. I look forward to your pictures. I've used reloaders and even marching figures as flagbearers, often I take a small straight pin as the staff, cutting off the tip of the musket and driving through the top hand of the figure. To offset the balance I've used a type of super glue to attach the bottom of the stand to thin plastic sheeting one can buy at someplace like Hobby Lobby or Michael's. It doesn't add too much to the height of the figures and finally allowed me to use my Airfix Highlander Flag bearers until I was finally able to retire them (with honors, of course).
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Post by davidmac on Jul 14, 2020 1:36:38 GMT
I'm posting a new set of photos, as I forgot a step in my painting. Here are the battalions in echelon: And here are the battalions lined up: I painted a base coat of Mission Models white primer, with a bit of grey added. The crossed belts on the uniforms are pure white, and stand out against the base coat. Pale blue trim for this regiment. Rosy flesh from Reaper, with a coat of Vallejo sepia wash at the end. The gaiters are Vallejo black-grey, and the shoes and boots (officer only) are black. Guns and swords are Reaper shadowed steel. I should say that the idea for the flags came from a class I took at Hobby University (HMGS) a few years ago at Cold Wars, I believe. Their advice was to print out the flag, then paint over the colors of the flag with acrylic paint. Then, when the paint dries, glue the flag to the staff. As I was satisfied with the printed image, I just used some future as sealer for the image.
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