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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 17, 2020 5:59:32 GMT
I cannot seem to find anywhere a source for the color of the leather for the HaT Prussian Uhlans gauntlets. I see on the box it has black but could they also be in tan/natural leather for the Landwehr due to simplification and costs for them. thanks!
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Post by paintdog on Jun 17, 2020 7:18:53 GMT
I cannot seem to find anywhere a source for the color of the leather for the HaT Prussian Uhlans gauntlets. I see on the box it has black but could they also be in tan/natural leather for the Landwehr due to simplification and costs for them. thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 8:37:28 GMT
I can agree that the centjours.mont-saint-jean.com site is a brilliant reference for uniforms.
I note however that on there it shows the Uhlans with just normal white gloves, not gauntlets. The Landwehr cavalry seem have bare hands.
The only unit i see that has gauntlets is the 6th Uhlans (Lutzow) and these are black, like the rest of the uniform. This would tie in with Hats box art on their Prussian Uhlans, who do indeed seem to be the Lutzow regiment.
So maybe white gauntlets (if worn) for the other regiments? Or maybe carefully trim back the gauntlets flush to the arms and then paint so as if portraying wearing normal gloves?
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Post by Ironsides on Jun 17, 2020 11:46:35 GMT
Actually black is probarbly the easiest and cheapest colour to produce in leather, a common method was to use ferric sulphate/acetate at the final tanning stage, which produces a reaction with tannins (from oak bark or similar) turning the leather a dense permanent black which doesn't fade or leach out when wet and would have been the common method during the Napoleonic era, its also mentioned by Pliny as "shoe makers black" so has a very long history....
Black was cheap, the vegetable tanned leather which was time consuming to produce wasn't....
I suspect though that Rogers post is truer to the point as "white" leather would have been the usual method for producing gloves in any case, white leather is tawed(a much older and quicker hence cheaper method) not tanned, so wont turn black when treated with Ferric sulphate/acetate unless first treated with tannins, in other words vegetable tanned...
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 17, 2020 21:18:35 GMT
Thank you all for your info. I will do a bit more reading. The figures tho do not wear gloves but
wear gauntlets with quite a cuff. I suppose if I trimmed them down I could to them as cuffs and
then paint the hands as hands. I think tho HaT on purpose made them gauntlets to provide alot of
support for the hand holding the lance as a regular, thin cuff would have made the lance hand
very delicate.
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 22, 2020 8:29:35 GMT
 ![]()  I finally found some Prussian cavalry with gauntlets. They are natural leather color. Now I have at least one example of them with these. |
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Post by Forum Admin on Jun 22, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
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Post by justme on Jun 23, 2020 21:11:00 GMT
![]() I finally found some Prussian cavalry with gauntlets. They are natural leather color. Now I have at least one example of them with these. I think someone has created a spoof picture. That's British Royal Horse Guards with a superimposed Saxon, Russian or maybe Wurtemburg cuirass. But they're definitely not Prussian |
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Post by bongman on Jun 23, 2020 22:04:53 GMT
![]() I finally found some Prussian cavalry with gauntlets. They are natural leather color. Now I have at least one example of them with these. I think someone has created a spoof picture. That's British Royal Horse Guards with a superimposed Saxon, Russian or maybe Wurtemburg cuirass. But they're definitely not Prussian You learn something new every day. Until today I only ever saw Prussian cuirassiers with cuirasses in white tunics. Then I found this picture:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 18:39:27 GMT
View Attachment![]() I finally found some Prussian cavalry with gauntlets. They are natural leather color. Now I have at least one example of them with these. DONT use that picture as a example!!! As someone else has said, it is actually the British Royal Horse Guards, who someone has decided to stick some black cuirasses on randomly. Someone obviously got a picture editing program and decided to experiment!!!! |
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Post by justme on Jun 24, 2020 21:12:26 GMT
I think someone has created a spoof picture. That's British Royal Horse Guards with a superimposed Saxon, Russian or maybe Wurtemburg cuirass. But they're definitely not Prussian You learn something new every day. Until today I only ever saw Prussian cuirassiers with cuirasses in white tunics. Then I found this picture:
I'm no expert but I think the Prussian Cuirassiers wore a white tunic with armour in barracks, but a dark blue coat and no armour in the field. The regiment illustrated was created in 1815, and I don't think they saw any action. |
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Post by plasticpanzers on Jun 25, 2020 7:04:15 GMT
Ok....now back to black gauntlets.... white gauntlets is to close to the Japanese army wearing white gloves
when fighting Godzilla.
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