I agree i normally buy a dozen boxes of every Napoleonic set that gets released, I think hat has said that they would take our views into account for future sets when our concerns were raised in earlier posts.
I think sadly these sets will be as advertised, so a very expensive purchase this time unless pricing is reduced to match reduced box quantities.
I would hope so, but I keenly await information on the price of the 24-figure French Marching sets, because if it is out of kilter with comparable Nap Marching sets, I'm going to have to take a view whether I want to use the HaT sets as the basis of Peninsular and Hundred Days French armies.
If it was something of which I'd only need 3-4 boxes of, I might say 'what the heck' and swallow the cost, but when you're looking at sets you might buy 30-60 boxes of, uncompetitive pricing kills the thing dead for me. It would be a mistake, IMHO, to make the price per figure in excess of that of the Strelets marching sets, or how long before that competitor releases French Line in its marching set format? Clearly they are content to replicate late war Prussian Line, notwithstanding HaT having covered that subject (and in a value for money way).
Personally, I prefer HaT's style in most cases, but not at any price.
Hi Steve, may i politely disagree with you because of the following points
The cost implications of having to purchase many more of each set, many people do not have unlimited funds to spend on toy soldiers so have to save up to support our hobby My order for new sets will be 60 plus sets which will not be cheap.
The scale effect that we all love of having very large armies on the tables will be reduced
Putting off new entrants to our niche hobby as 28 mm figures would be seen as a more viable option due to cost
Less sets purchased by us would lead to lower profits for Hat (Which I have supported since the 1990's) leading to less areas being covered which would harm the hobby
I and others are really pleased that Hat is producing new sets again after a long break but with lots of new companies producing sets its becoming a challenge to keep up with all the new sets and means that I am becoming more selective on my purchases.
I do not paint my figures, so i dont have that painting headache / pleasure that you have
Hopefully we will get our figures in the shops soon and i will pile mine happily into my plastic mountain which will never go down.
A point about smaller figure numbers per set for those of us who have to order our figures online due to the fact of brick and mortar hobby shops disappearing. We who can't buy directly from a store have an added cost of shipping and handling fees that are often multiplied with each unit (set) we buy. There are some sellers out there who charge almost as much for shipping as they do for a box of figures. I try to avoid those. So the more boxes we have to buy the greater our cost and the fewer sets we can buy.
I tend to shop carefully to reduce my expenses as much as possible. Even so, I know because of less income available to spend on toy soldiers due to retirement I find I buy fewer boxes of a given set than I used to.
I paint, but generally manage to do a mass production technique where I can manage one or two hundred figures of a given type at a time - but if my costs (often close to doubled by S&H) are tripled by having to buy more boxes with fewer figures...
I agree with the concerns over numbers. For me its standardization. I am really liking that hat is releasing these marching/action/command sets, it allows me to pick what I want, in my case the marching are ideal for the project I am working on. But if the Prussian set is 40, I don't want the french to be 24, then the Russians be 32, ect ect. It just means I end of with vastly different sized armies or a bunch of none used men, which is wasteful and something I don't like at all.
I do not have a problem with the number of figures in a set, within reason, and where there is a logical reason to limit the number of figures eg: perhaps where the user is only likely to need a small number of such troops.
However, I do have a problem if or when the number of figures in a set falls without any corresponding reduction in price...unless, that is, there is a good reason for the price 're-adjustment' ie: there are special figures in the set, usually contained on a separate sprue for command figures and the like, which offer a compelling reason to buy the set.
I cannot see that this applies where there are four identical sprues. I also cannot for the life of me see the logic of including only 24 figures in a set of what is in actuality 'standard' infantry. Why not save on the packaging and go for the tried and tested good old 48 figures in the set?
As with other contributors to this discussion, I'll only be buying the new HaT Napoleonic French releases if they appear to offer value for money.
Has there been any news lately about this production line? I am not complaining about the time table, as I assume it takes a lot to create a new series but the main page still has the Prussians as "awaiting delivery" and I know that is not true. I received mine months ago, so I am guessing that is done or if nothing else is almost done. I would hope we would get some updates from time to time, if nothing else where they are in the steps. There are already very well done painted prototypes so I assume its close to completion?
Whilst in an ideal world we would have a Bardin uniform command set and I would not have to replace the bicorne with a shako on hundreds of pre-Bardin infantry .... I am very pleased indeed with these releases.
I was concerned that the price would be too great for 24-figure sets, but the price is fine; under 19p per figure, which is competitive and no figure need be wasted in these sets.
I have started with 30 boxes of the 1805-12 infantry, 6 of command and as many 1815 sets as I could find before they sold out.
In short, it was the French infantry solution I hoped it would be.