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Post by gbvarese on Nov 8, 2017 13:09:53 GMT
Dear Mateus,
To me the current Grenzer set strictly speaking is not satisfactorily convertible into Hungarians : the shako is complete different, the quantity of marching soldiers is not enough, and there are other little differencies to the Hungarian uniforms.
Greetings. Giovanni.
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 8, 2017 13:15:27 GMT
In an ideal world the heads would all be separate.
I have happily glued and pinned many a replacement head, but a couple of WW1 batteries and Indian battalions is one thing, regiments and brigades or divisions of Austrian infantry are quite another. But I'll work with whatever comes. The main thing is to be able to use the set from 1805 through to 1813.
I, too, would be interested in participating with crowd-funding these.
Thanks to Admin for letting it be known the Grenadier, Landwehr and Grenzers sets are planned for a re-stock.
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Post by Mr Schmitt on Nov 8, 2017 14:47:29 GMT
Perfect proposal from Hat, if they'll come as MAC format. Grenadier caps are welcome. The old grenadier set is not the best. Figures are too small for grenadiers. In my experience it's easier to convert Germans into Hungarians than vice versa.
To get them before retirement would be very nice.
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Post by vellek on Nov 8, 2017 17:21:47 GMT
IMO the figures should be in the same format as the SYW Prussians, with heads attached and equal numbers of optional headgear separate. ADCs and other staff officers get my vote for bonus figures. Thanks.
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Post by cpn on Nov 8, 2017 20:11:22 GMT
good evnening, I strongly favor heads vs headgear like the great Peninsular British infantry set. Headgear alone doesn't achieve a nice result compare to switch entire heads. Besides it is easier to personalise armies with headswap than headgear only. For the backpack, sorry but I don't see the need in 1/72 to get them separated, it is making molds more costly and lenghtened the process. the only minor value is if to convert grenadiers to line infantry you cut the saber.But honestly for how many armies of the Nap era it applies to ? Austria yes but there is already a set of grenadiers. it doesn't apply to French, British, Prussian, Saxon, Polish, Russian, Bavarian, etc... My opinion os always to choose between a "must to have" and a "nice to have". For instance I really would like Russian infantry but I don't care about the Backpack to be seperated.moreover if it takes longer to realise.
Your thoughts? Have a glorious evening everyone. CPN
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Post by Roscoe Remington on Nov 9, 2017 5:35:02 GMT
"In theory just one pose is required for such a set – that of a man marching as per the regulations, but here we find four different ones. Basically these poses illustrate the change from standing to attention (‘Shoulder Arms’ or portez vos armes) to marching (‘Support Arms’ or l’arme au bras). Standing to attention involves supporting the musket on the left shoulder by holding it under the butt (pose one above). The soldier then takes the weight of his musket with his right hand (pose two), bends his left and places the lock of the musket in the crook of his arm (pose three), and finally withdraws his right hand (pose four). Therefore the last pose is the one seen when moving across a battlefield, on parade or just on guard duty." -Plastic Soldier Review
I would love to see variety in the marching set, but can Hat please stop repeating this particular error?
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 9, 2017 5:37:43 GMT
"In theory just one pose is required for such a set – that of a man marching as per the regulations, but here we find four different ones. Basically these poses illustrate the change from standing to attention (‘Shoulder Arms’ or portez vos armes) to marching (‘Support Arms’ or l’arme au bras). Standing to attention involves supporting the musket on the left shoulder by holding it under the butt (pose one above). The soldier then takes the weight of his musket with his right hand (pose two), bends his left and places the lock of the musket in the crook of his arm (pose three), and finally withdraws his right hand (pose four). Therefore the last pose is the one seen when moving across a battlefield, on parade or just on guard duty." -Plastic Soldier Review I would love to see variety in the marching set, but can Hat please stop repeating this particular error? Thanks for the quote but which set is that from?
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Post by mateus on Nov 9, 2017 11:07:56 GMT
CPN, I respectfully disagree. Separated backpacks are a nice touch, the end result looks better, The Hat prussian infantry is done this way and it really looks great.
As for separated heads, instead of just separated hats, I agree, it would be a better option. Much easier to get a satisfactory end result. But I'm afraid full heads in 3 options for every single model on the sprue might drive costs a bit to high. Only Hat can tell us if that's feaseable.
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Post by Edwardian on Nov 9, 2017 11:32:28 GMT
I, too, have no problem with the separate packs on the HaT Prussians, and neither did PSR: " All the figures have their pack, sabre and pouch as a separate piece which fixes to a peg on the back, which works very well and fits snugly without gluing for the most part...it generally improves the look of the figure a good deal too." This: " In theory just one pose is required for such a set – that of a man marching as per the regulations, but here we find four different ones. Basically these poses illustrate the change from standing to attention (‘Shoulder Arms’ or portez vos armes) to marching (‘Support Arms’ or l’arme au bras). Standing to attention involves supporting the musket on the left shoulder by holding it under the butt (pose one above). The soldier then takes the weight of his musket with his right hand (pose two), bends his left and places the lock of the musket in the crook of his arm (pose three), and finally withdraws his right hand (pose four). Therefore the last pose is the one seen when moving across a battlefield, on parade or just on guard duty. All the poses are fine, but we would have liked to have seen many more of pose four since this is the most useful one, yet all poses are present here in equal numbers. Also of note is that two of the poses have their right foot forward, and two the left, so they cannot all be placed in formation together anyway." is not from a review of a HaT set, as one might have supposed, but relates to Waterloo 1815's set 61, '1815 French Line Infantry Fusiliers Marching': link
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Post by jerzy on Nov 9, 2017 11:41:33 GMT
It would be great to add/change advancing poses similar to these in Zulu war British infantry...and loading should by like these ..https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bLNoOpOIXTw/maxresdefault.jpg
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Post by cpn on Nov 9, 2017 18:49:54 GMT
CPN, I respectfully disagree. Separated backpacks are a nice touch, the end result looks better, The Hat prussian infantry is done this way and it really looks great. As for separated heads, instead of just separated hats, I agree, it would be a better option. Much easier to get a satisfactory end result. But I'm afraid full heads in 3 options for every single model on the sprue might drive costs a bit to high. Only Hat can tell us if that's feaseable. Good evening, I take your point. I am trying to say that between having a set with attached backpacks in six months and a set with separate ones in one year that cost more money (because the mould might be more costly) I choose the first option.If it is ending at the same in regards to production costs, well I take it. For the heads, I think the way ahead is again the Nap British Peninsular example: 92 figures with a Shako already moilded + 24 heads with light infantry shakos + 24 heads with 1812 shakos. As far as I remember it was a great sale success. I really like your avatar! Cheers. CPN
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Post by Marco Zappa on Nov 9, 2017 20:23:46 GMT
...and please suggest some possible bonus figures. Great news!!! I suggest the jaegers for bonus figure...
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Post by Malcolm on Nov 9, 2017 21:53:43 GMT
For bonus figures I suggest Sappers and Engineers. Just 1 odd figure of a Hungarian is of no use at all. Whereas a personality figure with a pick or a saw and wearing the Casquet would be great. These men did great service but I would not expect or even want a whole box of them, but the inclusion of 1 as a bonus would be very welcome.
Best regards,
Malcolm
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Post by steve on Nov 9, 2017 22:16:09 GMT
"In theory just one pose is required for such a set – that of a man marching as per the regulations, but here we find four different ones. Basically these poses illustrate the change from standing to attention (‘Shoulder Arms’ or portez vos armes) to marching (‘Support Arms’ or l’arme au bras). Standing to attention involves supporting the musket on the left shoulder by holding it under the butt (pose one above). The soldier then takes the weight of his musket with his right hand (pose two), bends his left and places the lock of the musket in the crook of his arm (pose three), and finally withdraws his right hand (pose four). Therefore the last pose is the one seen when moving across a battlefield, on parade or just on guard duty." -Plastic Soldier Review I would love to see variety in the marching set, but can Hat please stop repeating this particular error? Thanks for the quote but which set is that from? Hi not entirely sure but this looks very much like the comments regarding the Waterloo 1815 French marching set that was released recently maybe someone got a bit mixed up with manufactures
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Post by waynew on Nov 9, 2017 22:18:11 GMT
I've been on the record as being a great fan of KISS (Keep it Simple Sucker). I've had problems - particularly at this scale with small fiddly parts. I've never been a fan - if I wanted a "MODEL" I'd still be into models. Some sets have turned me off because of the difficulty factor of putting them together. With my aging hands it's even more of a turn-off.
Now, having said that - I have no problem with separate packs - it's not that fiddly a deal the way HaT has done them and it gives us the flexibility of having troops moving to engagement without time to ground their packs or being realistically depicted in a set engagement without packs - as was the case in reality. As others have already said - it makes for a nicer figure, too. As far as the "missing" straps on the backs of the figures at 1/72 scale one can always just paint them in - if one paints and if one doesn't - who cares?
As for separate heads vs headgear, I've been staring at my 7YW Prussians for at least a couple years and their headgear and have to admit I always manage to find another project more pressing. But, as with the pack issue - I can concur that final cost outlay of production should be the final decider as far as I'm concerned. We've dealt with "improper" troops marching into battle with heavy "rucks" on their backs since I was a child - we can continue a bit longer.
These are small matters in the broader scheme of things and as one who remembers the "good ol' days" when we didn't have each individual country and even various regiments represented, I have learned to make do. This is better than making do.
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Post by paintdog on Nov 9, 2017 23:33:05 GMT
As for separate heads vs headgear, I've been staring at my 7YW Prussians for at least a couple years and their headgear and have to admit I always manage to find another project more pressing. But, as with the pack issue - I can concur that final cost outlay of production should be the final decider as far as I'm concerned. We've dealt with "improper" troops marching into battle with heavy "rucks" on their backs since I was a child - we can continue a bit longer. Small tip about the SYW Prussians. To get the perfect fit for their tricornes et al, I used a sharp blade to cut a few MMs off the peg. A drop of super glue & Voila! like a glove. donald
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Post by Graeme on Nov 10, 2017 5:22:59 GMT
HaT did say that they sometimes make things like these pegs and gun axles, etc a bit longer than they should be in case the mould doesn't fill completely. Good idea.
Wayne.
A couple of thoughts regarding your fiddly tricornes would it help to leave each hat on a section of sprue to use as a handle while you fit it. Or leave all the hats on the sprue, have the sprue upside down on the bench and fit the figure to the hat, trim off when the glue is set. A figures got to be a bit easier to handle than a tiny hat.
I guess you're voting for having one of the hats moulded onto the figure. This would mean the alternative headgear was on spare heads with pins on the neck, requiring cutting off the figures head and drilling a hole for the pin. I don't have a problem with that but is it more fiddly than fitting one of the separate hats. A few of the folks who bought the 7YW Prussians reported that the spare hats were a very good fit (bearing in mind the tip above about shortening the peg).
If a figure had to be sacrificed to make way for spare hats/heads then I would volunteer the guy standing to attention to be the casualty. But a lot of other folks really like this pose. Might make more sense in the marching set though.
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Post by waynew on Nov 10, 2017 7:26:37 GMT
I actually prefer separate heads with different headgear - such as the Peninsular Brits. I ended up buying several sets - enough to get enough heads with Belgique shakos to field a couple "regiments" of 1815 campaign figures and still have enough with the stovepipe shakos for a decent Peninsular contingent.
Thanks for the tips on the Prussians - I imagine I'll have to get to them someday... But with new Nappies coming out now they keep getting put to the backburner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 4:01:14 GMT
Thanks Hat. My understanding is that the idea has been and is to take figures from masters to production, so I assume/presume that the poses and format are set (apart from splitting these into marching, action and command) so we are merely considering tweaks of the existing presentation and, as you keep asking people, ideas for bonus figures. For what they are worth, here are my responses. - If it is at all possible within the format of the masters, could we please have equal quantities of the headgear for all of the figures (as was done with the Seven Year's War range)? This provides the greatest flexibility from all of one type to a mix of all three and also plenty of spare headgear for other conversions. - I'm assuming that the format of interchangeable headgear (as opposed to heads) is set. This is the option that I most prefer as the greater surface area makes bonding much better and the fit of headgear is better than necks to shoulders (I find). - As the bonus figures are few (sadly, only one per set pledged and paid for), it makes sense to me that they are reserved for specialist figures such as officers, pioneers (helmet or kasket), sappers (grenadier-style cap), perhaps even a pioneer drummer? Here are a few images to prompt the creativity of your sculptors (Thevenin's famous painting of the surrender of Ulm has some great ideas for poses for Austrian generals): napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Austrian_staff.jpgnapoleonistyka.atspace.com/austrian_general_major_1809.jpgi.pinimg.com/736x/ed/e9/a4/ede9a4260f11924710eff1590d233d6c--austrian-empire-uniform-dress.jpgA magnificent bonus would be a figure of Charles on horseback carrying an Austrian standard which, though it never occurred according to quotes that I have seen from Charles, has been immortalised in sculpture and paintings and makes a magnificent modelling or wargaming 'piece'! www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/img/Archduke_Charles_with_flag.jpgwww.vanderkrogt.net/statues/extra/at/atwi117-carl_krafft.jpgwww.vanderkrogt.net/statues/Foto/at/atwi117-2.jpgstatic.panoramio.com/photos/large/105785256.jpgI'd like to add my call to the suggestion, already made three or more times in this thread and elsewhere, for a set of Hungarian infantry. Sometime in the near future would be superb! Ideally this set would have sufficient shako and grenadier caps to completely mix and match. At present these may only be created by painting conversions to add the braiding and lower the gaiters on your grenadier or line infantry figures. napoleonistyka.atspace.com/uniforms_of_austrian_infantry.jpgExpert painters do this brilliantly, hacks like me do it okay if you stand far enough away, many will not attempt it and it is completely unsuitable for the non-painters. Finally, a muse out loud... As one who asked for this, I am ecstatic that it is in the pipeline, but some interesting discussion on the Streets forum regarding 'kickstarter' projects caused me to pause. The view expressed is that they cut out the vendors who are part and partners of the 'industry' and so should be respected and supported. A reasonable view, especially if the crowd funding barely scratches the surface of the cost of generating sets (as mentioned by Hat admin). If that is the case, why bother? In my case, our nearest vendor, whom I try to support, will receive no orders from me for the Prussian landwehr as I have satisfied my 'needs' with the crowdfunding purchase (for foreseeable years at least). I will be purchasing all those lovely French infantry sets in E29F from them once they are released, so perhaps it is simply give and take? I guess we could also to consider the facts that: i) our wargaming/modelling desire is rarely completely satisfied, and ii) not everyone who will purchase the sets takes part in the crowd funding. Perhaps this means that there is still plenty of scope for sales through the shops? James
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Post by Roscoe Remington on Nov 11, 2017 4:46:24 GMT
Could Hat replace the marching soldier with his right arm across his chest with a better pose?
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 11, 2017 8:56:24 GMT
Finally, a muse out loud... The view expressed is that they cut out the vendors who are part and partners of the 'industry' ... For your muse, you can rest assured this is not going to happen.
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Post by meyilkree on Nov 11, 2017 15:37:15 GMT
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Post by rapira3 on Nov 12, 2017 0:25:05 GMT
MAC format
Infantry in shako with alternative heads (helmet and Grenadiere hat)
Separate backpacks
Bonus figures: JAEGERS!!!!! Advancing, reloading, firing and a firing on knees
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 1:15:25 GMT
Finally, a muse out loud... The view expressed is that they cut out the vendors who are part and partners of the 'industry' ... For your muse, you can rest assured this is not going to happen. Thank you for the reply and assurance. It's good to know. Kind regards, James
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Post by Brian on Nov 13, 2017 0:25:37 GMT
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