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Post by Forum Admin on May 2, 2019 2:19:49 GMT
Workups just to show poses. Set #1  Set #2  |
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Post by plasticpanzers on May 2, 2019 6:45:44 GMT
The Shako appears a tad to big (IMHO)
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Post by Steve W on May 2, 2019 9:34:05 GMT
I'm no expect on Austro-Hungarian infantry, but these look like "German" infantry to me - didn't Hungarian troops wear long trousers, without gaiters below the knees? Also there should be embroidered loops at the top of the thighs.
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Post by Forum Admin on May 2, 2019 9:35:53 GMT
Yes, these are just workups to show poses.
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Post by mateus on May 2, 2019 12:47:14 GMT
The Shako appears a tad to big (IMHO) Agreed, they should reduce them a bit. As I mentioned on the german version thread, I believe these sets would be better with all models on shakos, with plenty of grenadiers heads for conversion. As it is, it'll take a lot of sets for a collector/gamer to be able to come up with a full unit of Hungarian grenadiers, and if these are the only models he's after, he's going to end up with a mountain of fusiliers for which he has no use, and at which he dumped a lot of cash. Still, I understand the option of going with separate grenadier heads would only work with detached backpacks, so that there could be in the sprue specific backpacks with short swords for them. But this would be the best approach, in my opinion. |
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Post by Forum Admin on May 2, 2019 17:34:28 GMT
As it is, it'll take a lot of sets for a collector/gamer to be able to come up with a full unit of Hungarian grenadiers, A full set of Hungarian grenadiers will not be made. If customers so desire, the figures with the bearskins can be deleted from this set. |
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Post by waynew on May 3, 2019 1:12:14 GMT
I think the matching grenadine on the left and the grenadier standing at attention both need their mustaches trimmed.
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Post by rbhjr on May 3, 2019 2:35:10 GMT
There needs to be action poses for the grenadiers.
Their role was, like the French guard, to crash into the fray at a decisive moment to turn the tide or deliver the crushing blow with a few vollies and/or a charge of cold steel bayonets.
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Post by greentiger on May 3, 2019 8:01:27 GMT
Poses look great- I would be more than happy with these.
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Post by Brian on May 5, 2019 23:48:27 GMT
Hi Hat Team,
Poses for Marching Hungarians look very good to me as do the Action Hungarians with one exception I would consider changing the Grenadier standing to attention pose for an advancing figure (bottom row 2nd from the left is the best of the two advancing figures).
Are the Command to follow? I am guessing the pose choices are not a problem so are not shown at this stage.
The heads/Hats do seem a little too big and figures should be looking in the direction of what they are doing.
I look forward to seeing these figures transform from Austrian Germans to Austrian Hungarians they need gaiters removing, ankle boots created, lace knots on the top of thighs, stripe down sides of breeches, cuffs pointed and perhaps spare helmets.
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Post by Roscoe Remington on May 6, 2019 7:09:46 GMT
There needs to be action poses for the grenadiers. Their role was, like the French guard, to crash into the fray at a decisive moment to turn the tide or deliver the crushing blow with a few vollies and/or a charge of cold steel bayonets. Dream on. |
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Post by waynew on May 6, 2019 14:47:49 GMT
Yes, these are just workups to show poses. I am thinking the heads WILL be moved to face direction of action and there will be modifications to put things in proportion. I don't recall HaT ever giving us "smiling at the camera" poses before; I don't see them doing it now. My own take on this is I would love to have a full set of Hungarian Grenadiers but will take these figures in lieu of NO new grenadiers. I painted up the existing set as Hungarians years ago anyway. These will just add and augment what I already have. |
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Post by Thomas Krug on May 8, 2019 10:48:38 GMT
The two advancing poses should point the musket to the front and not to the side. They are in the front rank of the formation and there's no space for holding the weapon in that way and there is no use in doing this. It is a standard pose for most producers, but it is totaly unsatisfying. The pose is better solved in the Austrian 7 Years set. Set #2 Greetings from AustriaThomas Krug |
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Post by harlow on May 8, 2019 18:50:26 GMT
Wonderful! I will dream of them ...
I like very much all poses besides the 2 advancing poses which doesn´t make any sense. The muskets have to been up and not down - and in direction to the enemy!
And please the shakos a little bit smaller!
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Post by Forum Admin on May 8, 2019 22:21:54 GMT
The two heads are just to show the shako, they are not meant to face that way. In fact, the shako head can be put facing in any direction.
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Post by Roscoe Remington on May 9, 2019 4:24:04 GMT
Is it too late to make one of the advancing soldiers holding his musket upward? 45 degrees would be ideal.
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Post by mikem on May 9, 2019 7:45:33 GMT
Why do people always want the musket held at a 45° upward angle? This was not a typical way of carrying the musket in the period, nor was the "port arms" position. Muskets were normally carried at the shoulder, except during a bayonet charge, when they were brought down to the "guard" or "charge" position, with the bayonet horizontally towards the enemy. The bayonet held upwards at an angle was specifically only used when in square, to defend against cavalry.
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Post by Malcolm on May 9, 2019 8:24:09 GMT
The Backpacks and Ammunition pouch are way too low like the corresponding German Infantry. The Hat design team need to take a look at the original Italeri set that contained both German Fusiliers and Hungarian Grenadiers, at least in this set the equipment was placed correctly. Also as mentioned above the last two Fusiliers playing guitars just look wrong.
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Post by bongman on May 9, 2019 9:01:34 GMT
I would not consider Italeri the best source for accuracy in uniforms. It does seem that backpacks are not permanently fixed in position but can move up and down so any position can be accurate.
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Post by waynew on May 9, 2019 13:23:09 GMT
As I've stated before; on the march equipment moves and gets "adjusted" - either due to vibration and motion of the bearer or comfort. Straps get loose and there is not often time or desire to adjust one's gear (or kit) to "official" standard. As has been shown through numerous illustrations, wearing a pack low or high is acceptable. I believe we are beating a dead horse here. JMO.
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Post by aggiejohn on May 9, 2019 15:35:21 GMT
I love it, wasn't expecting to get Hungarian troops so this is great. I agree with comment that there should be a firing Grenadier in the action box. I would also love to see some head dress variants included like we got with the French fusiliers if possible?
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Post by Jimmy on May 9, 2019 20:28:52 GMT
Is it possible to drop the at standing poses for a marching and advancing grenadier if your not making a Hungarian grenadiers separately
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Post by Roscoe Remington on May 10, 2019 7:44:31 GMT
Why do people always want the musket held at a 45° upward angle? This was not a typical way of carrying the musket in the period, nor was the "port arms" position. Muskets were normally carried at the shoulder, except during a bayonet charge, when they were brought down to the "guard" or "charge" position, with the bayonet horizontally towards the enemy. The bayonet held upwards at an angle was specifically only used when in square, to defend against cavalry. So he doesn't bayonet the soldier in front of him. |
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Post by mikem on May 10, 2019 10:48:51 GMT
Why do people always want the musket held at a 45° upward angle? This was not a typical way of carrying the musket in the period, nor was the "port arms" position. Muskets were normally carried at the shoulder, except during a bayonet charge, when they were brought down to the "guard" or "charge" position, with the bayonet horizontally towards the enemy. The bayonet held upwards at an angle was specifically only used when in square, to defend against cavalry. So he doesn't bayonet the soldier in front of him. That is what the "Shoulder Arms" position is for! |
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Post by waynew on May 10, 2019 16:24:40 GMT
So he doesn't bayonet the soldier in front of him. That is what the "Shoulder Arms" position is for! Not necessarily; each position has it's own use and purpose in the manual of arms - "Shoulder Arms" would be moving from point A to point B; when imminent contact is expected troops could be placed in the "Port Arms" position or "Ready/Present Arms" which would make the weapon with bayonet more readily available if needed. Both are valid and useful poses depicting various positions in the MoA. |
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